Originally posted by Raoul
i actually read a lot of marvel. i just disagree with the astral plane being THAT universal.
What I said IS a Fact in Marvel....
In the Marvel Universe, for example, consciousness is hosted in the Astral Plane. That's how devices like Cerebro work - it locates minds on the Astral Plane, where human consciousness is hosted. Bobby's consciousness is hosted there, and from there, it's able to choose water molecules anywhere on earth as a repository, or rather, avatar for that consciousness.
The energy for the state changes are also psionic. Bobby wills them to vibrate or slow down, and they do so. It's not a natural occurrence, which is where you're getting stuck. The catalyst is a command, not environmental.
There is a reason why Iceman has stopped god like beings and his power is omga level...
Just look at the other omega level mutants
But cis is on so both fight in character.
*scratches head a little* If this was IN character, there would be the issue of the fact that they wouldn't be fighting each other in the first place. I mean, as far as I know, they're both "on the side of good". Them fighting has just about as much of a chance as Bobby whipping out a Kryptonite dildo and smacking Kal over the side of the head with it.... with a "Hi how are you!? *SLAP*" sequence with kung fu grip action.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Meh. what happened to the good old days when the name Iceman meant exactl thaty A guy who can freeze things
i know... shocking, isn't it?
Originally posted by carver9
No, superman has bled on hundreds of occasions, bobby can mess him up if he had too.
again, opinion.
Originally posted by Vanlore
What I said IS a Fact in Marvel....In the Marvel Universe, for example, consciousness is hosted in the Astral Plane. That's how devices like Cerebro work - it locates minds on the Astral Plane, where human consciousness is hosted. Bobby's consciousness is hosted there, and from there, it's able to choose water molecules anywhere on earth as a repository, or rather, avatar for that consciousness.
The energy for the state changes are also psionic. Bobby wills them to vibrate or slow down, and they do so. It's not a natural occurrence, which is where you're getting stuck. The catalyst is a command, not environmental.
There is a reason why Iceman has stopped god like beings and his power is omga level...
Just look at the other omega level mutants
no, it's not that part that i disagree with.
it's bobby detecting clark's molecules if they've been shunted to another dimensional plane.
Originally posted by carver9
Bobby is soooo much more than that now, he is a true top tier and has proven that he can do almost anything. Thats why I think he should be out of vs threads
Whoa, out of vs threads? Being able to manipulate KE and inhabit water molecules is nice and all but he certainly isnt one to be taken out of vs threads. IMO he isnt even high herald yet let aone anything above.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Whoa, out of vs threads? Being able to manipulate KE and inhabit water molecules is nice and all but he certainly isnt one to be taken out of vs threads. IMO he isnt even high herald yet let aone anything above.
The problem is, he cant be defeated, unless its surfer or someone that has more than physical attacks.
Originally posted by Raoul
i know... shocking, isn't it?again, opinion.
no, it's not that part that i disagree with.
it's bobby detecting clark's molecules if they've been shunted to another dimensional plane.
Not sure about him being in another dimension maybe he is in a hyper state of flux...
I have not herd of any place the astral plane is not tide too either...
But just to entertain what your saying.... he loose by forfeit if he ran away ...
Originally posted by Avlon
This is still going on?It's already been shown that Cryogenics are fairly useless.
Now this psychic plane thing being brought up. Torquasm Vo takes care of that handily.
Physically, mentally, hypothetically, or realistically, Supes takes this.
Cryogenics or cold have absulutly nothing to do with icemans pisonic power to stop kentic energy. You could post of scan of him complaing cuz its hot 1 point above absolute zero and it would be irrelivent... Cold is just a side effect of less energy... Nothing to do with why sups would loose to Iceman.
If two users of torquasm-vo both willingly agree, they can enter into mental combat in something that looks a lot like a staring contest.
Hence (willingly) ... And even if Iceman did sups would loose hard...
Superman' has been invasively permeated by pretty much anybody who has psionic command of molecules - like the aforementioned Manchester Black and Dr. Polaris.
Icemans wins.
I mean Manchester gave Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain. lol .. Read up on Doctor Polaris and all the other psionic people who command moleculesl.. He has a track record of having a major weakness to psionic abilitys to command his molecules... And thats from guys way way less powerful than Iceman.. Iceman has stopped god like beings thats very power is matter manipulation... which is sups weakness... Its not hard to see Iceman wins..