Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Iceman couldn't just freeze Superman. Sorry but not possible. Couple of reasons why-Kryptonians might not be 75% water like humanity, and his body might not need moisture the way humans do.
Superman zips arouund space in spandex. Although spandex does hold a certain amount of heat in, it might as well be a wet pair of pantyhose out in space. Not only would his balls become nonexistant but he'd become a frickin' mancicle; somewhat tasty frozen treat. Space is pretty frickin' cold and anyone who says that the majority of it isn't is insane. I mean, besides the areas around the happy little balls of flames we call suns (or stars) there's not that much heat. Look at the arrangement of the planets for an example. The ons closer to the sun are nice and toasty but you don't se any frickin' heat-pit jungles on Pluto. I mean, look up the temperature of Pluto. Go ahead. It's below 0. planets generate a degree of heat due to their cores and no, MOONS are not planets so for you cotton swab brains out there, don't try to pull those supposedly lifeless balls of rocks into this.
Superbeefcake most likely can't get rozen unless it's by magic since he seems to have one hell of an issue with the stuff, like the person above mentioned.
THEN there's the fact that Supes can affect the vibrational frequency of his own molecules.. he can move fast enough to be intangible and so on.
There's other things but I feel like I am rambling so I'm going to just drop this load and wander off for a while. Maybe lurk some.
So all in in all.....
Superman- 1
Iceman- FAIL
Lol.. no superman has been frozen before by indirect stimula ... thats coldness around him.. So icemans direct stimuli would have no problem with him...
See cold is irrelevant to the fight... Cold is just a side effect.. Having no Kentic energy would be what puts sups down...
superman's biology:
Originally posted by Raoul
is this what you're talking about?
Originally posted by Vanlore
Lol.. no superman has been frozen before by indirect stimula ... thats coldness around him.. So icemans direct stimuli would have no problem with him...See cold is irrelevant to the fight... Cold is just a side effect.. Having no Kentic energy would be what puts sups down...
which frozen instances are you talking about?
and i would love to see proof of absorbing the kinetic energy of superman...
Originally posted by Raoul
gah, double post.to do what, exactly?
assuming that's even true...
By your own logic... Below
Originally posted by Raoul
because its generally held that when superman is depowered, he's like normal humans. his powers seem to have a massive effect on his body.
therein lies the problem though.
superman when powered is inexplicable. his powered self tends to completely contradict his non powered self.
manipulation of hydrated molecules within superman would be difficult due to his bio aura.
freezing him in any sense really isn't possible unless it's magic in nature.
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So without his powers you are saying his body his anatomy is like a humans.. Thats funny....
Therefore when he has his powers by logic you should conclude that it sustains his moisture va h20.. He just has his powers to do it with, Or that his body may produce it itself but to say ,,, o its made of this magic this or that would not be in line with the logic you just stated about him being generally human without his powers..
Originally posted by Vanlore
By your own logic... BelowOriginally posted by Raoul
because its generally held that when superman is depowered, he's like normal humans. his powers seem to have a massive effect on his body.therein lies the problem though.
superman when powered is inexplicable. his powered self tends to completely contradict his non powered self.
manipulation of hydrated molecules within superman would be difficult due to his bio aura.
freezing him in any sense really isn't possible unless it's magic in nature.
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So without his powers you are saying his body his anatomy is like a humans.. Thats funny....Therefore when he has his powers by logic you should conclude that it sustains his moisture va h20.. He just has his powers to do it with, Or that his body may produce it itself but to say ,,, o its made of this magic this or that would not be in line with the logic you just stated about him being generally human without his powers..
i addressed that like 4 posts back.
Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Sorry peaches, but Iceman can't freeze him. Built in heat vision. That, and the whole speed thing.
Sorry this thread is so long and no one wants to read that much but supermans speed is irrelevant since Icemans powers are psionic he does not have to catch him because when supes shoots him with his heat vision that is how the teleports... So that makes his speed and vision mean nothing...
Originally posted by Vanlore
Sorry this thread is so long and no one wants to read that much but supermans speed is irrelevant since Icemans powers are psionic he does not have to catch him because when supes shoots him with his heat vision that is how the teleports... So that makes his speed and vision mean nothing...
no it doesn't. if superman moves fast enough, or vibrates his molecules at an increased enough rate, iceman won't even know he's there.
Originally posted by Raoul
no it doesn't. if superman moves fast enough, or vibrates his molecules at an increased enough rate, iceman won't even know he's there.
All forms of consciousness are housed on the Astral Plane, and all commands are issued from there through the brain as a proxy - for most people. But for psionics of various kinds, they're able to essentially "bypass the middleman" and directly communicate to and from the Astral Plane. In that case, a physical brain is unnecessary - and that's been shown many times by people such as the Shadow King, or Xavier when his physical body died and existed solely on the Astral Plane. Bobby is classified as a psionic - so a physical brain is unnecessary for communicating with the physical world from the astral plane, where his consciousness is stored. So again, you're questioning from an incorrect pretext. I appreciate the effort, though.
Hmm.... just to exploit my not so random mental image....
Superman: *zips in so fast that Iceman doesn't even have the chance to register, hucks him into the sun, wheeee iceman is flyyyiinnnnggg, PFT!sizzle!fizz*
Sure, Bobby COULD try to freeze the sun but then Earth will get dead and he'll have no place to go. That, and he wouldn't just do that... So, no super frozen Supercake.
Originally posted by InfiniteNothing
Hmm.... just to exploit my not so random mental image....Superman: *zips in so fast that Iceman doesn't even have the chance to register, hucks him into the sun, wheeee iceman is flyyyiinnnnggg, PFT!sizzle!fizz*
Sure, Bobby COULD try to freeze the sun but then Earth will get dead and he'll have no place to go. That, and he wouldn't just do that... So, no super frozen Supercake.
Lol you do know he can exist in more than one place right? And superman would prob be smart enough to know that sucking him inside his longs would be a bad idea even with his speed....
Originally posted by Vanlore
All forms of consciousness are housed on the Astral Plane, and all commands are issued from there through the brain as a proxy - for most people. But for psionics of various kinds, they're able to essentially "bypass the middleman" and directly communicate to and from the Astral Plane. In that case, a physical brain is unnecessary - and that's been shown many times by people such as the Shadow King, or Xavier when his physical body died and existed solely on the Astral Plane. Bobby is classified as a psionic - so a physical brain is unnecessary for communicating with the physical world from the astral plane, where his consciousness is stored. So again, you're questioning from an incorrect pretext. I appreciate the effort, though.
what actual proof do you have of any of that?
