Originally posted by Vanlore
I mean Manchester gave Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain. lol .. Read up on Doctor Polaris and all the other psionic people who command moleculesl.. He has a track record of having a major weakness to psionic abilitys to command his molecules... And thats from guys way way less powerful than Iceman.. Iceman has stopped god like beings thats very power is matter manipulation... which is sups weakness... Its not hard to see Iceman wins..
They are just in denile since the above quote can not be refuted because it has happend.. He would have allot more than a stroke when Iceman was done with him..
Originally posted by Vanlore
Cryogenics or cold have absulutly nothing to do with icemans pisonic power to stop kentic energy. You could post of scan of him complaing cuz its hot 1 point above absolute zero and it would be irrelivent... Cold is just a side effect of less energy... Nothing to do with why sups would loose to Iceman.
Comic book science. Great. Superman has simply willed off guys with far more potent powers than Iceman.
Originally posted by Vanlore
If two users of torquasm-vo both willingly agree, they can enter into mental combat in something that looks a lot like a staring contest.
Who told you that they have to agree? Superman pulled Dominus into it. Dominus is >>>>>>>>>>>>>any Iceman.
Reality control>>>Matter Manip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Iceman.
Originally posted by Vanlore
Hence (willingly) ... And even if Iceman did sups would loose hard...
Just LOL. Iceman gets stomped either way. Hell, Supes has even frozen a planet that eat's suns in an instant.
Originally posted by Vanlore
Superman' has been invasively permeated by pretty much anybody who has psionic command of molecules - like the aforementioned Manchester Black and Dr. Polaris.
Who still got destroyed. Not like it matters since the Iceman being debated here doesn't exist.
Originally posted by Vanlore
Icemans wins.
Iceman wins a beatdown and gives up.
Superman' has been invasively permeated by pretty much anybody who has psionic command of molecules - like the aforementioned Manchester Black and Dr. Polaris.
Originally posted by Avlon Who still got destroyed. Not like it matters since the Iceman being debated here doesn't exist. [/B]
How does a long history with 100% success rate of superman being spanked by way less powerful psionic molecular manipulation not apply ?
Originally posted by Avlon
Comic book science. Great. Superman has simply willed off guys with far more potent powers than Iceman.
I will use your own logic you just regurgitated. Not like it matters since the Iceman being debated here doesn't exist.
Also give me names of people that use pisonic molecular control that superman has willed off.. I call bull on that..... Names...
I have listed names of way less powerful people hurting sups bad...
Originally posted by Avlon Just LOL. Iceman gets stomped either way. Hell, Supes has even frozen a planet that eat's suns in an instant.[/B]
Ok so superman is going to freeze Iceman? lol...
Originally posted by Vanlore
Yeah he might be something like pure nitrogen when Iceman is done with him lol .. jk but for real....Explain to me how he is going to utilaize pure nitrogen for moisture or hydration with pure nitrogen or any of the other substances you can name....
why is blood red hmmm
The protein hemoglobin, which carries oxygen in the blood, changes shape when
it binds oxygen. When it changes shape, it absorbs different wavelengths of light,
making it change color. When blood is exposed to air, much more of the hemoglobin
absorbs oxygen than had in the vein the blood came from (in the veins, the hemoglobin
has already given up most of its oxygen to the body). Therefore, the blood turns red.Well supermans blood is red... He has been cloned using his blood..
The magic substance you are trying to pull out of thin air insert and say he is immune with no abolutely no evdince is going to have to meet the following with an explination as why his blood is red and ect with your new mystery substance..
I have never seen superman fart or burp fog before... Have you?
With what we have seen in the comics and the color of his blood being red , The most logical conclusion is that he is hydrated with h20.
Superman's blood can be made out of ketchup for crying out loud.
Red has absolutely nothing to do h2o. You speak of only speculation and not fact. You are also still assuming that h2o is the only chemical that can give rise to the makeup of a fluid. I have many posts to read and catchup on my replies. This is the first one. Maybe I will do the cumulative thing. I have to figure out how to do it though.
Originally posted by VanloreFalse. Only several have done this. His molecules has also resisted such psionic commands to alter them as well. Not that it matters since he isn't necessarily made of h2o.
Superman' has been invasively permeated by pretty much anybody who has psionic command of molecules - like the aforementioned Manchester Black and Dr. Polaris.
You mean 1% success rate.
How does a long history with 100% success rate of superman being spanked by way less powerful psionic molecular manipulation not apply ?
Originally posted by h1a8
False. Only several have done this. His molecules has also resisted such psionic commands to alter them as well. Not that it matters since he isn't necessarily made of h2o.You mean 1% success rate.
the thing about it is doctor poloris did it and EASILY; if he can do it iceman should be able to do it in his sleep.
Originally posted by h1a8
These are aliens in comics, not real humans. A non human living being in comics doesn't need hydration to not become dirt no more than they need a penis to become a male.Superman's blood can be made out of ketchup for crying out loud.
Red has absolutely nothing to do h2o. You speak of only speculation and not fact. You are also still assuming that h2o is the only chemical that can give rise to the makeup of a fluid. I have many posts to read and catchup on my replies. This is the first one. Maybe I will do the cumulative thing. I have to figure out how to do it though.
No his blood cant be made out of anything... Why you ask?
When clark lost his powers on earth.. Did he need to drink water? If so why?
When clark lost his powers anything that would be harmful to a human would harm him so if he has something in his blood or body that hurts a human then when he lost his powers he would just die..
When clark lost his powers.. What did he need to hydrate himself?
He uses h20 to hydrate himself. His powers sustain h2o or produce it but if he lost his powers and he didn't use h20 to hydrate himself your saying clark does not need to drink water even without his powers.. The only things left to hydrate him would kill a normal human.. So therefore he must use h20...
Originally posted by Vanlore
No his blood cant be made out of anything... Why you ask?When clark lost his powers on earth.. Did he need to drink water? If so why?
When clark lost his powers anything that would be harmful to a human would harm him so if he has something in his blood or body that hurts a human then when he lost his powers it would of hurt him..
When clark lost his powers.. What did he need to hydrate himself?
You are the one who needs to catch up.. I started at page one....
According to the chemistry of comics (not real life) his blood can be made out of anything (including ketchup). If not, then it certainly doesn't need to made out of anything that has h2o in it.
Again. I already said that Clark can drink water or eat food with water in it but that doesn't mean he is made out of water. His body can possibly break the chemical bonds of water and food he eats to reform new chemicals (of the non h2o kind). This is comics, it is highly possible for this to happen.
Originally posted by carver9
the thing about it is doctor poloris did it and EASILY; if he can do it iceman should be able to do it in his sleep.
Dr. Polaris and Iceman don't have the same powers so the conclusion doesn't follow. If you are implying that since Polaris use psionic ability to do it means that any with psionic ability can do it then the conclusion still doesn't follow by inserting the counterexample-Supeman has resisted psionic altering of his being before.
Also this is assuming that Clark has h2o in his makeup. If he doesn't then Iceman is powerless against him.
The Dominus guy your talking about had powers of a different sort but could do the matter thing granted yes... BUT the hole mind thing was about mind control and thats different than commanding molecules....
And Torquasm-vo It is basically a means of focusing ones mental discipline to help fight adverse effects such as mental domination. Thats why it was used on Dominus...
Originally posted by carver9
the thing about it is doctor poloris did it and EASILY; if he can do it iceman should be able to do it in his sleep.
Also Manchester Black and others have done him in easily as well.....
Originally posted by Raouldur
it's bobby detecting clark's molecules if they've been shunted to another dimensional plane.
Originally posted by h1a8dur dur
Superman's blood can be made out of ketchup for crying out loud.
Red has absolutely nothing to do h2o. You speak of only speculation and not fact. You are also still assuming that h2o is the only chemical that can give rise to the makeup of a fluid.
Originally posted by h1a8
Dr. Polaris and Iceman don't have the same powers so the conclusion doesn't follow. If you are implying that since Polaris use psionic ability to do it means that any with psionic ability can do it then the conclusion still doesn't follow by inserting the counterexample-Supeman has resisted psionic altering of his being before.Also this is assuming that Clark has h2o in his makeup. If he doesn't then Iceman is powerless against him.
Superman has shown consistent weakness to psionic molecular control and lots have been scan in this thread..
And there powers are very very similar on how they work and on what they do.. there would be no reason that it would be any different...
You never responded to my answer about h20....
Originally posted by h1a8
According to the chemistry of comics (not real life) his blood can be made out of anything (including ketchup). If not, then it certainly doesn't need to made out of anything that has h2o in it.Again. I already said that Clark can drink water or eat food with water in it but that doesn't mean he is made out of water. His body can possibly break the chemical bonds of water and food he eats to reform new chemicals (of the non h2o kind). This is comics, it is highly possible for this to happen.
Yes anything can happen in comics but we dont jump logic and conclude something ludicrous like his blood is chocolate milk.. We still use logic to the most extent in can be used in debating.
Logic says if there is anything in his body that would harm a human than it would harm superman the times he lost his powers on earth... Or we could go with your he has chocolate milk for blood.. Do you see what I'm saying... You want to only apply logic when it suits you and ignore it when it does not...
If Clark uses water for moisture when he does not have his powers. The next logical step would be to assume when he has his powers his body retains his h20 or makes its own.. It would be illogical to start out with the assumption that its not h20 when he already uses it to hydrate himself...
Originally posted by Vanlore
I mean Manchester gave Superman the equivalent of a stroke, for example, by telekinetically pinching blood vessels in Superman's brain. lol .. Read up on Doctor Polaris and all the other psionic people who command moleculesl.. He has a track record of having a major weakness to psionic abilitys to command his molecules... And thats from guys way way less powerful than Iceman.. Iceman has stopped god like beings thats very power is matter manipulation... which is sups weakness... Its not hard to see Iceman wins..
Except Iceman doesn't have Psychokinesis, he is not a psychokinetic like Manchster Black.
He doesn't control pure kinetic energy, but he does reduce thermal energy via water molecules. You Iceman backers seem to lose sight of that fact. That's why anything he does, result i frozen water.
If he manipulated anything but moisture he wouldn't be called Iceman or have the canonic ability to manipulate ice or thermal energy via water molecules.
A dose hydrolysis, some counter vibrations to dispell his psionic state and Supes takes care of business. In all areas (even the metaphysical) Supes is superior.