The debate in favor of bobby has been mostly speculation with huge leaps in judgment. Everything I've seen in argued for clark is mostly true. He has psionic control over his enery and has created a multitude of energy frequencies and counter frequencies to boot. The one thing we know is that bobby doesn't have kinetic control, and since he requires h20 molecules to be effective its doubtful he can freeze much less do anything effective agaisnt someone who is basically a sun reactor internally.
Originally posted by LDHZenkaiiceman cant freeze superman to absolute zero, maybe he can cool himself to that temperature then flash-freeze something, but the fact superman has has own internal heat and everything around him is giving off heat as well, he would never reach absolute zero, and superman has been in space, which has temperatures closest to absolute zero, iceman would be able to freeze him
In absolute zero, which is what full potential iceman can do, atoms stop moving. Everything does. Taken from softpedia, "Absolute zero is known to be 0 K (-273.15 �C, -459.67 �F) and it's used to describe a theoretical system that neither emits nor absorbs energy. It's like a state where no atom and no subatomic particle moves." So there is no electrolysis or any other olysis that superman can do once he gets frozen to that. Unless we're ignoring science for this debate? Which would be odd since the superman fans are the ones who are trying to use it to win the debate.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaoshttp://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980301b.html
There's no convection in space, hence it is not "cold" or indeed anywhere near absolute zero.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-temperature-in-space.htm
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part4/section-14.html
an object put in deep space would be very cold.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos...space itself has no temperature, placing an object in space because of this would make it very cold, and object placed in space would reach a temperature just aboce absolute zero, superman has travelled to deep space and has been unaffected, Iceman wouldn't be able to freeze superman is the main point.
😆 Who ever told you that was either terribly misinformed or an outright liar. Space has no atmosphere (because it's space) as such it is by definition lacking in temperature.
Originally posted by Trackz
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980301b.htmlhttp://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-temperature-in-space.htm
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part4/section-14.html
an object put in deep space would be very cold.
"If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time."
It would radiate away the heat. That is not the same thing as being "cold". Thermometers do not define temperature, cosmic background radiation is not temperature. Heat contained within the system is temperature, space cannot contain heat because there aren't any molecules to be "hot" or "cold". It's fairly basic science which none of your sources even contradict. Talking about the temperature of space is like talking about the elevenness of lead.
Originally posted by shokosugi
OMG you're an idiot. check out the links posted by Trackz. 😆
You mean the one's he just admited misrepresent the actual facts?
Originally posted by Trackz
...space itself has no temperature
That was my point. Space isn't "cold" in any sense. It's space for god's sake.
Originally posted by Trackz
Iceman wouldn't be able to freeze superman is the main point.
Perhaps.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosread my post, the POINT is putting an object in deep space would make it very cold, superman has been in deep space hence he has been subjected to nigh-absolute zero temperatures.
"If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time."It would radiate away the heat. That is not the same thing as being "cold". Thermometers do not define temperature, cosmic background radiation is not temperature. Heat contained within the system is temperature, space cannot contain heat because there aren't any molecules to be "hot" or "cold". It's fairly basic science which none of your sources even contradict. Talking about the temperature of space is like talking about the elevenness of lead.
edit: saw your post above
Originally posted by Trackz
read my post, the POINT is putting an object in deep space would make it very cold, superman has been in deep space hence he has been subjected to nigh-absolute zero temperatures.
He would only be exposed to those temperatures he spent months in space. I don't read much Superman but I can't recall any instances of him spending more than a few days traveling, I could be wrong.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosthere are instances in which he is thinking, and you can see clearly he has gathered ice on him (there's no way he would actually gather ice I dont think unless he was perspiring, I'm pretty sure the artist just wanted to show how cold it was around him) then he hears a cry for help and he shakes it off and dives towards the earth, it's in his old respect thread but that thing is too big to find anything.
He would only be exposed to those temperatures he spent months in space. I don't read much Superman but I can't recall any instances of him spending more than a few days traveling, I could be wrong.
also with no other heat sources around the heat would radiate off pretty quickly, I doubt it would take days