Originally posted by LDHZenkaibecause supermans has demonstrated he can function fine in environments in which his cellular activity should be at a near pause, two degree wouldnt do anything to superman especially seeing as his cells are much more powerful (seeing as they run on solar energy) and can provide his body with a sufficient internal heat even if Iceman tries to freeze him.
Well i'd imagine the guy who has absolute control over temperature would probably be the one with that. And since full potential iceman is stated to have that I would go with him. I don't understand how you all don't get the fact that he could stop supermans cells from moving. It's what he does.
Originally posted by Trackz
because supermans has demonstrated he can function fine in environments in which his cellular activity should be at a near pause, two degree wouldnt do anything to superman especially seeing as his cells are much more powerful (seeing as they run on solar energy) and can provide his body with a sufficient internal heat even if Iceman tries to freeze him.
Originally posted by LDHZenkaiif two degrees above absolute zero, they can still perform at optimum efficieny, lowering it two degrees will do nothing, Superman pushed the limits of nature, same way the laws of physics tell us nothing can move faster than the speed of light.
His cells can only make energy and power because they can move. They can't move if they're at absolute zero. If they're 2 degrees above absolute zero they still move. The point is he can absorb all thermal energy to create absolute zero. No cell movement means no energy/heat being created by superman. And as far people arguing that iceman wouldn't be able to maintain his absolute zero long enough to stop superman....it wouldn't matter. As soon as he does freeze him solid superman is going to experience brain damage at the least. And uhm, im pretty sure he would be so brittle he could get broken in half .
Originally posted by Mindset
He directly manipulates thermal energy, which indirectly manipulates water molecules. 😬
This is not what the comic says. He manipulates thermal energy indirectly. We know he directly manipulates h2o molecules only because the comic points it out along with the fact that he can only exist in water, ice, and water vapor besides flesh.
Originally posted by h1a8due to his secondary mutation.
This is not what the comic says. He manipulates thermal energy indirectly. We know he directly manipulates h2o molecules only because the comic points it out along with the fact that he can only exist in water, ice, and water vapor besides flesh.
because the body is primarily made of water, it's almost the same for him.
and for him to freeze a guy in a non lethal fashion, easily freezing the ambient air moisture around them was sufficient for the majority of his on-panel career.
but you are ignoring that until relatively recently he had a human body under his ice shell, only when his secondary mutation developed the whole "water god" shtick came about.
and when he deep freezes anything, the air around it will freeze aswell making it look as if it's encased in ice, when really the entire object's molocules have slowed down making it more brittle. for example when he breaks metals by freezing them with extreme cold.
or when he freezes a sentenel's leg that snaps off when it moves.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is not what the comic says. He manipulates thermal energy indirectly. We know he directly manipulates h2o molecules only because the comic points it out along with the fact that he can only exist in water, ice, and water vapor besides flesh.
His power is to manipulate thermal energy, he also has the power to manipulate water molecules.-Traveling through water etc.
If he couldn't manipulate thermal energy, explain to me how his does this: http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/X-MenManifestDestiny04of5Large-02.jpg
or this
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6462/xmen199019ib4.jpg
"I can control the temp gradient to within a half of a degree"
Originally posted by psycho gundam
because the body is primarily made of water, it's almost the same for him.and for him to freeze a guy in a non lethal fashion, easily freezing the ambient air moisture around them was sufficient for the majority of his on-panel career.
but you are ignoring that until relatively recently he had a human body under his ice shell, only when his secondary mutation developed the whole "water god" shtick came about.
I understand. It is just I won't accept any mutation of him directly manipulating the thermal energy of non h2o molecules, with the exception of his very being, without on panel evidence.
Originally posted by h1a8
I understand. It is just I won't accept any mutation of him directly manipulating the thermal energy of non h2o molecules, with the exception of his very being, without on panel evidence.
Originally posted by Mindset
It's not what the comic says?..what are you talking about?His power is to manipulate thermal energy, he also has the power to manipulate water molecules.-Traveling through water etc.
If he couldn't manipulate thermal energy, explain to me how his does this: http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/X-MenManifestDestiny04of5Large-02.jpg
or this
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6462/xmen199019ib4.jpg
"I can control the temp gradient to within a half of a degree"
he does it all the time. it's just that his power propagates from waves from his body, and with all that water vapor everywhere, it's going to look like he's hitting something with ice when he's really directing his power through air.
ICE IS ONLY A SIDE EFFECT OF ICEMAN'S POWER TO REDUCE/SHUNT etc. HEAT.
Originally posted by Mindset
It's not what the comic says?..what are you talking about?His power is to manipulate thermal energy, he also has the power to manipulate water molecules.-Traveling through water etc.
If he couldn't manipulate thermal energy, explain to me how his does this: http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/X-MenManifestDestiny04of5Large-02.jpg
or this
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6462/xmen199019ib4.jpg
"I can control the temp gradient to within a half of a degree"
"...cooling the air creates convection currents makes the heat flow along the gradients I choose." This proves he is doing it indirectly.
So this interprets the second scan as him doing it indirectly too.
Note: "I can control the temperature gradient to within a half of a degree." can mean that he can do so indirectly.
