Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Originally posted by snyper1982
Again, there is really no analogue to the speed force in regards to temperature.

true. The speed force deals with pure Kinetic energy (increasing it or decreasing it) it is a mystical force.

Iceman's abilities with regards to the Kinetic energy in molecules, is limited to reduction of energy, and even then only through manipulation of H2O molecules by reducing the thermal energy said molecules absorb.

Supes has already dealt with such beings and shown an ability to willfully resist such kinetic manipulations.

Originally posted by -K-M-
and he's also nearly been killed as well (X-Men #189-190) 😉

Originally posted by Mindset
Scan?

X-Men #189: Gets "nuked" in human form
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/img022.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/img023.jpg

X-Men #190: Continuation from the attack.
3. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190002003zc3.jpg
4. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190004pj8.jpg

After some time later he reforms and appears....
5. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190009nq0.jpg
6. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190010um3.jpg

In #191 explains how close he was to death, which basically if Mystique didn't help he would have died (sorry don't have that scans uploaded). Either way still an impressive feat for Iceman regardless

Well he has gone from steam to Iceman before w/o any problems.

Also, iirc he reformed inside of a wall which exploded as well.

I actually have those comics, but I'm not going to look through them. awesome

Originally posted by Mindset
Well he has gone from steam to Iceman before w/o any problems.

Also, iirc he reformed inside of a wall which exploded as well.

👆

Yep, just was mentioning his recent showing of steam to ice.

Originally posted by Allankles
Iceman's abilities with regards to the Kinetic energy in molecules, is limited to reduction of energy, and even then only through manipulation of H2O molecules by reducing the thermal energy said molecules absorb.

Not true. He is limited to recuding energy but he isn't limited to water molecules.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2568/xmen2020011ef3.jpg

Superman inhales then farts Iceman.

Originally posted by Vanlore
Ok there were scans of on panel showing of Iceman at absolute zero in this thread. But in the ocean of posts I did not have the patience to re read the entire thing BUT I did find this... You can read up on it or look it up..

First Appearance: Marvel Comics Presents#74/4

(MCP#74/4) - Firebomb's bomb was stopped by Iceman and the Human Torch. Alicia and Manhattan were saved from the big bang as the molecular motion in the bomb was stopped by bringing its temperature down to absolute zero.

Ok that's pretty clear.. You cant get much more clear about that.. Even without the statement of the comic title and just the action of doing that would demenstate absolute zero.. You would have to be willingly ignorant to take that out of context 😂

Yes I know It's not a scan but you can make use of that little thing called google and look it up at marvel, the issue and read the about section or whatever.. So now you dont have to ever say again that this is something Iceman can not do 💃

First you were a debater now you are a con artist. Iceman never reached absolute zero under his own power. I've seen the scan and know what you are talking about. You just need to be honest.

Other scans has bobby even admit that he can only come within a spitting distance of absolute zero on a good day. I wonder what he can do on a bad day.

Also bobby can only manipulate h2o molecules. There is no proof that Superman even has any of those in his makeup.

Originally posted by h1a8
First you were a debater now you are a con artist. Iceman never reached absolute zero under his own power. I've seen the scan and know what you are talking about. You just need to be honest.

Other scans has bobby even admit that he can only come within a spitting distance of absolute zero on a good day. I wonder what he can do on a bad day.

Also bobby can only manipulate h2o molecules. There is no proof that Superman even has any of those in his makeup.

OWNED!

Originally posted by h1a8
Also bobby can only manipulate h2o molecules. There is no proof that Superman even has any of those in his makeup.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not true. He is limited to recuding energy but he isn't limited to water molecules.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2568/xmen2020011ef3.jpg

Pretty sure Iceman has changed ice to water as well, but I'm not going to look for scans, someone do that for me, thx.

Originally posted by Mindset
Bobby has been blown up while in human form and been alright, how do you propose Supes hurts him while he is sentient ice?

I don't know that he can hurt him while he is ice, hence the word possibly. As far as an explosion not hurting him, well supes can cause a lot more damage than an explosion. It would not be in Bobby's best interest to take on Clark physically.

Originally posted by h1a8
First you were a debater now you are a con artist. Iceman never reached absolute zero under his own power. I've seen the scan and know what you are talking about. You just need to be honest.

Other scans has bobby even admit that he can only come within a spitting distance of absolute zero on a good day. I wonder what he can do on a bad day.

Also bobby can only manipulate h2o molecules. There is no proof that Superman even has any of those in his makeup.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
..only ones where he said "i can feel my blood slowing" while he was being frozen with a single blast from a bald kid.

What?!?!

Once again Superman has taken absolute zero blasts from Captain Cold and was unphased by it *shrugs*

But I digress, this thread is a circular debate which will properly never end

Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again Superman has taken absolute zero blasts from Captain Cold and was unphased by it *shrugs*

But I digress, this thread is a circular debate which will properly never end

I honestly dont believe all of Captain Colds gun blast are absolute zero. Was this stated anywhere? I do think hes able to change the cold settings though.😬 Not 100% sure.

And i agree. Im surprised this got bumped and gone an extra 10 pages or so.

Originally posted by jrodslam

[QUOTE=11692024]Originally posted by LDHZenkai
[B]..only ones where he said "i can feel my blood slowing" while he was being frozen with a single blast from a bald kid.

What?!?! [/B][/QUOTE]

😛 The kid (Esak) was a god, and he wasn't even bald.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I honestly dont believe all of Captain Colds gun blast are absolute zero. Was this stated anywhere? I do think hes able to change the cold settings though.😬 Not 100% sure.

His old school gun (first introduction) I'm pretty sure wasn't absolute zero, but yes majority of his guns reach absolute zero and is referenced in the Flash comics.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not true. He is limited to recuding energy but he isn't limited to water molecules.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2568/xmen2020011ef3.jpg

But he still only affects thermal energy, how does this eliminate H2O? He controls the reactions, not the substances reacting, this can be accomplished using H20 molecules absorbing the heat from the reactants.

Wow, so even though the bobby arguments have been pretty much refuted this thread still goes on lol.