Originally posted by Magnon
Manhattan wins by draining Surfer's power cosmic. It is quite easy to do; Doom, Reed, High Evolutionary, Red Hulk, ... all have done it. If for some reason Manhattan cannot do this with his own power set, he can create an appropriate device out of thin air. After all, even the world's smartest men are like thermites next to his intellect; replicating their devices should be no problem at all.
Not sure if serious
It is no different than the arguments of Surfer creating kryptonite / kryptonite radiation vs. Superman, for example.
Manhattan has hyper-evolved mind and peerless ability to observe and analyse his surroundings. He would realize the weakness of power cosmic to being drained, and could easily create a device to achieve it.
Originally posted by Magnon
It is no different than the arguments of Surfer creating kryptonite / kryptonite radiation vs. Superman, for example.Manhattan has hyper-evolved mind and peerless ability to observe and analyse his surroundings. He would realize the weakness of power cosmic to being drained, and could easily create a device to achieve it.
Feats of him doing something similar?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85doesn't matter since I said "assume". That means let's argue pretending that it is the case.
Wait, so you're now questioning if Surfer has telepathy?Lol.
As for asking what he can do if he can create a channel (which icsn prove)...well, the scan shows it, doesn't it? Channelling ALL (my emphasis) of the power cosmic.....
And who cares about the body? I'm attacking the source. His consciousness. He can have as many blue dongs flapping in the wind, makes no difference...
With that said, we don't know if Surfer can win that way. DM can teleport Surfer away if he wanted to. Or himself to another location around the battlefield.
But what kills me is why argue a tactic Surfer would never actually do? He already stated that he is against mind reading in panel. But strictly arguing power sets then it still isn't proven enough to win.
Originally posted by Silent Masterif you consider Batman's feats then he meta. Certainly above any human. Even if he isn't then the point still applies but even stronger. If batman who is lower than a meta has feats above metas then either those attacks jobbed or he has higher than meta durability.
Batman isn't a meta, so stop with the strawman.No, it really wasn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
if you consider Batman's feats then he meta. Certainly above any human. Even if he isn't then the point still applies but even stronger. If batman who is lower than a meta has feats above metas then either those attacks jobbed or he has higher than meta durability.
Again, Batman isn't a meta so stop with the strawman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Feats of him doing something similar?
As numerous as Surfer creating kryptonite.
But seriously speaking... Manhattan has created complex devices, structures, and even living cells just by manifesting the parts and joining them together. There's no reason why he couldn't create the necessary parts for a power-drainer.. something Doom, Reed, and HE have no problems in creating.
http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/dr-manhattan_l.jpg
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85I have no problem with DM bfr himself away if it is a stalemate.
Oh....OK, you're right, let's argue in character.Manhattan BFRs himself out of boredom, and Surfer wins by default. Manhattan does not fight, whereas even the pacifist Surfer does so.
To me that is a stalemate. But make no mistake, it is in DMs character to fight. Especially someone as interesting as Surfer. He would simply fascinated with him for a while.
Originally posted by h1a8
I have no problem with DM bfr himself away if it is a stalemate.To me that is a stalemate. But make no mistake, it is in DMs character to fight. Especially someone as interesting as Surfer. He would simply fascinated with him for a while.
DM running away wouldn't be a stalemate, it'd be a win for Surfer.
Originally posted by h1a8
just because you don't get what you are asking for doesn't mean you win the debate.It's very logical and within the suspension of belief.
Nothing in those scans makes it logical for DM to be able to drain the Surfer or make a machine that could.
Originally posted by h1a8
running away after a stalemate is a stalemate. Think about it.
Running away = losing.
Originally posted by Silent MasterDM showed capabilities of building and manipulating things of great complexity. He stated that he is far above the worlds smartest man as a man to a termite is in intellect. So the logic is sound.
Nothing in those scans makes it logical for DM to be able to drain the Surfer or make a machine that could.Running away = losing.
running away AFTER the stalemate is not losing. What a character does after a stalemate is irrelevant. Running way after the ko or kill is not losing either. Your logic is getting bad.
Originally posted by h1a8
DM showed capabilities of building and manipulating things of great complexity. He stated that he is far above the worlds smartest man as a man to a termite is in intellect. So the logic is sound.
What did he build that was on the level of a machine that could drain the PC?
running away AFTER the stalemate is not losing. What a character does after a stalemate is irrelevant. Running way after the ko or kill is not losing either. Your logic is getting bad.
Per forum rules, leaving the field = losing the match. so self-BFR would mean that DM loses.
