Darth Revan and Darth Malak vs. NJO Luke and Mace Windu

Started by Darth_Janus18 pages

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I think I have beat Palpatine in manipulation.

"I don't think Luke could contend with a fully trained Jedi Weaponsmaster and battle prodigy like Mace. His only hope would be to overwhelm Mace with the Force itself, if he could."

Janus, you posted that in the Mace Windu versus NJO Luke thread. Now don't tell me that you think Malak can beat NJO Luke.

That was before Nai Fohl and some others candidly pointed out Luke can Force cloak a planet, mask his shape, kill things that other Jedi can barely touch, and all that pizazz. I grudginly admit NJO Luke is stronger than Revan and his ilk. But hell, if Luke can kill the Vong superslayers XX with one swipe while outnumbered like a thousand to one while his second in command can't aus one, I guess he friggin' beats everything, now doesn't he?

P.S. : Why am I the only person on this board quoted from previous threads?

You where he for a long time maybe? If anyone read my former post, I now realise that the reason that the story thread is under Mace vs. Luke is because there was a story on that, two actually.

Prolly. I haven't been on this forum hardly at all for the last two months, so go figure. I've spent all my time offline reading Clone Wars novels.

Who was here before you. Artemis Knight was here before me. Same with Dantheman, and Snakeeyes. Who else.

The Sith didn't live on after Anakin killed Sidious. Dark Jedi yes but not Sith.

Sidious had a clone of himself which his force presence took control over.

That's EU. Lucas had Anakin kill the sith and the Republic wasn't going to have a Sith to deal with for like 1,000 years.

Before me? Darth Nefarus, Arthras Knight, to name a few. Um. The Stealth Mercenary guy... And some others who have moved on. Actually, I'm kinda the vet here now, with everyone gone.

Originally posted by General Zodiac
That's EU. Lucas had Anakin kill the sith and the Republic wasn't going to have a Sith to deal with for like 1,000 years.

I'm only gonna say this once for your foolish self:

THIS IS AN EU SUBFORUM.

Let me know if that's a difficult concept for you.

Let me put it this way you:

LUCAS CREATED STAR WARS.

If people are too lazy to be original they shouldn't be able to make a game/book

Oh seriously, **** you. Get out of here. Go hang out in the movies forums, you are officially not welcome here. Let me say this:

LUCAS IS TOO LAZY TO HAVE A DIRECT HAND IN HIS EU MATERIAL.

Hell, the old man wasn't originally gonna make the PT, but he needed to pay off his Porsche. But his company, Lucasarts, has (for good or ill) sanctioned Eu material as its own form of canon, so long as it doesn't directly contradict the movies, it stands. Officially. So **** off with your wannabe purists attitude and go elsewhere; I've no patience for your newbism.

I agree with Janus. **** you!

revan has a great command of the darkside of the force and really I understand your logic and excuse my french but personally I think Luke's a bit of a pussy and revan would probably take out luke real quick
then back up malack against Mace

Well that wasn't French, but sure. Perhaps youre not familiar with the New Jeedai Order series of books? In it, Luke becomes one of the most powerful force users of all time, and would definitley be a challenge for Revan. Mace would be a good fight for Malak, I think Vapaad might surprise Malak a bit, and Mace is no weakling by any means. Malak however is a Sith Lord of the Old Republic, much more powerful than Sidious could ever hope to be, and much more powerful than anything Mace has ever had to compete with. After a bit of a fight Malak would overcome Mace and help out Revan against Yoda.

I love the own3d pic. Nice work. Oooteenie!

Merci

Ooooteenie!!!

Luke team wins but Luke loses his other hand and mace dies of wounds

Oh great. Do we have a medium size war going on in here now ? 😉

First "The Chosen One" thing. It doesn't realy matter if Anakin is the chosen one or not as well as it doesn't matter if he was conceived by the midichlorians or not. Lucas said he would have been the most powerful force user ever if he reached his full potential. Now the term "most powerful force user ever" means that he would have been more powerful than Sadow, Kun, Revan and even Ragnos.

Now use some logic in here. Luke is 80 % Anakin in raw potential and he is "full developed" in NJO times. So he is more than 80 % Ragnos at least. More than 80 % of a guy that the ancient Sith lords were afraid of even when he was only around in the form of "ionized air particles".

That leeds me to the conclusion that Luke can't be supassed in terms of raw force powers and in a duel I would only give Ragnos himself a chance to defeat NJO Luke.

@Janus:
I agree with you that Luke is pretty much overpowered as well as his opponents are. I did read some of the EU novels / comics only once because I dislike them (just in terms of how powerful people get in there) - the NJO series is a good example.
Still they are part of the EU as well as the games are and Revan actually also did things that made him seem "overpowered" as well as other characters in the games did (Nihilus draining entire planets, Sion being pretty much invincible, Kreia killing Jedi masters with a single hand movement).

But for a X vs Y debate we have to count anything given in the EU no matter how stupid, irrational and overpowered it seems as long as it doesn't contradict the films or Lucas oppinion. The NJO series doesn't do that and counting anything in there for Luke (as well as other EU stuff I didn't enjoy that much: Black Fleet trilogy, Calistra trilogy) I have to say that he would kill anyone in a duel.

For Malak vs Mace:
Well... I won't argue that Malak has advantages when it comes to range, physical strength or sheer force powers.

Still. Mace is a natural talent when it comes to lightsaber combat. Inventing your own fighting style and master another at the age of 13 is impressive stuff. Reaching council level at the age of 28 is also.
For experience: We can't tell how much practice sessions Mace had gone through (with people like Yoda, Dooku, Obi-Wan, Deepa Billaba and so on) and he had pretty much frontline experience from the clone wars. He defeated Asajj Ventress, Sidious and General Grievous (watch GG in the comics - he's a major badass there) and destroyed the seismic tank + a great amount of battle droids being unarmed. And he has his unique Shatterpoint ability that enables him to spot the weakpoints of an opponent in (from what is said in the ROTS novel and can be seen in the films) less than a minute.

And at least add some of the forum oppinions here: We have more than 600 replies in the Revan vs. Yoda thread with the "result" that Yoda might defeat Revan or Revan might win (at least it is a close fight). Revan pretty much owned Malak on the Star Forge in KOTOR I at least that was no "epic lightsaber duel". Now throw Mace in who (in terms of lightsaber combat) is very close to Yodas skill and then tell me how Malak would win that battle. I don't get it.

Keeping that in mind I still say that NJO Luke will defeat Revan and Mace will defeat Malak. Both are tough matches. I'm not questioning that but in the end the Jedi will win.

well mace and luke never met eachother while revan and malak were a legendary team so I'd say Revan and Malak