Fantastic Four vs Spider-Man, Wolverine, Storm & Colossus

And here is another worthless piece of evidence that you are showing. It's on the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and it's under page 11

And you say you are the best debater here in KMC Forum. (What a Joke) 😆

Originally posted by paeng
And here is another worthless piece of evidence that you are showing. It's on the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and it's under page 11

And you say you are the best debater here in KMC Forum. (What a Joke) 😆

Yes I have read it,

And I post that reply to "defend" myself because he is flaming and bashing me into the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and even in "these" thread he continues to make nonsense comments about me which is not true so I have the right to prove that he is wrong.

Now ontopic:

I think the team of Spiderman, Wolverine, Storm & Colossus has the most advantages in these fight.

<<Torch nova-blasts the lot of them. Vaporization complete.>>

my thoughts exactly, cube. sue protects her team with a force field, torchy flash fries the other team. battle over. this IS bloodlust, and they are supposed to go all out.

no one ever really goes by blood-lust here even though it is in the rules, in fact most of the rules aren' t followed here.

Originally posted by stormfront13
i have been saying the same thing about storm, but everytime i say it people say i overestimate her powers. someone said the biggest threat is sue and reed, that is not true at all. it is a tie between sue and storm, but storm has the edge because of her stragetical skills and versatility. is colossus sees sue and johnny trying to take down sue, he will undoubtidly make sure that doesn't happen. colossus and storm are the closest x-men w/out actually having a romantic relationship. he will more than likely sacrifice himself to protect her, and vice versa. if storm plays her cards right then it will take 2 seconds to take johnny out. simoutanisley summon a lightning bolt and a huge gust of wind, he will be flamed out and be shocked by a ligthning bolt, he won't be getting back from this. and life is cruell, why wouldn't storm do it to sue? there is no reason she wouldn't, and sue has no defense against it.

Lets say colossus sees Johnny and Sue teaming up on storm hows he gonna stop them? Storm is definatly gonna be in the air along with torch and possibly sue. He cant get into the air and block and attack from torch or start fighting them hows he gonna save her? As for storm simultaneously taking out Johnny then sue thats very unlikely. In those "2 seconds" that storm is snuffing johnny flame thats when sue is gonna take her out with a force bolt or force blast.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm is the most key of the players on the X-Men/Spider-Man team even when you don't factor in her powers. She would be the one to turn the individuals into a cohesive team effort due to her experience as team leader of the X-Men. Without her you have Spider-Man whose used to working alone, Wolverine who even within a team tends to do his own thing and Colossus whose never been the most strategic of the X-Men.

Reed (who is being a bit underestimated) should realise this, he could expand and contain Spider-Man and Colossus (very) temporarily. Thing could keep Wolverine busy. That leaves Sue and Johnny Storm to both take on Storm hard and fast.

As team work goes the FF team are one of the best. So take out Storm and the victory is pretty secure. If they can take out Storm at all that is.

I agree with you totally. Also reed should be able to expand and contain spidey and colossus for a while i mean how or they going to get him off they cant get a good grip to pry him off.

colossus has super-strength in his muscles also, he could possibly jump to storm. and sue won't be doing anything once her air supply is electrified. she can do more than one thing at once, one lightning attack, one wind attack.

Originally posted by stormfront13
i have been saying the same thing about storm, but everytime i say it people say i overestimate her powers. someone said the biggest threat is sue and reed, that is not true at all. it is a tie between sue and storm, but storm has the edge because of her stragetical skills and versatility. is colossus sees sue and johnny trying to take down sue, he will undoubtidly make sure that doesn't happen. colossus and storm are the closest x-men w/out actually having a romantic relationship. he will more than likely sacrifice himself to protect her, and vice versa. if storm plays her cards right then it will take 2 seconds to take johnny out. simultaneously summon a lightning bolt and a huge gust of wind, he will be flamed out and be shocked by a ligthning bolt, he won't be getting back from this. and life is cruell, why wouldn't storm do it to sue? there is no reason she wouldn't, and sue has no defense against it.

There's a certain amount of thought and concentration required for the utilisation of any mutant power unless it's automatic. I'm sceptical as to whether Storm can pull off this kind of multitasking. And you seem to be assuming that Sue and Johnny are just going to run at her and do nothing to attack. With Johnny coming at her with flame blasts on one side and sue with force blasts and constructs on the other, I really don't know how she's going to manage to stay aloft, dodge attacks from Johnny, summon gusts of wind to snuff out the flames, dodge attacks from Sue, summon lightning bolts aimed at Johnny and somehow still manage to attack Sue before she is taken out herself.

If this in response to my potential scenario where Johnny and Sue double team Storm... then Colossus has been temporarily contained by Reed's malleability.. so I don't know how he fits into the scenario you constructed. Though I doubt it would be for long so the pair would have to act fast to bring down Storm.

Question: Can Wolverine cut Mr Fantasic or not? I can't recall whether he can or can't.

Still think it's a tie.

johnny and sue aren't attached at the hip, they don't automatically attack one person right away. once sue sees that johnny has been taken care of by storm, then she may proceed to attack, but will be taken down. if sue comes at storm it takes one simple attack, electrifying the air. if johnny comes at sue, it takes a thought, and his flame is snuffed. storms powers operate by her willing them to, it only takes a thought to activate her powers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's a certain amount of thought and concentration required for the utilisation of any mutant power unless it's automatic. I'm sceptical as to whether Storm can pull off this kind of multitasking. And you seem to be assuming that Sue and Johnny are just going to run at her and do nothing to attack. With Johnny coming at her with flame blasts on one side and sue with force blasts and constructs on the other, I really don't know how she's going to manage to stay aloft, dodge attacks from Johnny, summon gusts of wind to snuff out the flames, dodge attacks from Sue, summon lightning bolts aimed at Johnny and somehow still manage to attack Sue before she is taken out herself.

If this in response to my potential scenario where Johnny and Sue double team Storm... then Colossus has been temporarily contained by Reed's malleability.. so I don't know how he fits into the scenario you constructed. Though I doubt it would be for long so the pair would have to act fast to bring down Storm.

Question: Can Wolverine cut Mr Fantasic or not? I can't recall whether he can or can't.

Still think it's a tie.

Wolverine has more than once tried to cut reed in the past and was unsucsessful.

No he cannot.

Originally posted by stormfront13
johnny and sue aren't attached at the hip, they don't automatically attack one person right away.

Assessing threats and teamwork - two of the FF's strongpoints? Storm is the major threat. She is airborne. The only two that can really go after her (other than Reed I suppose) are Johnny and Sue. Logical conclusion?

Originally posted by stormfront13
once sue sees that johnny has been taken care of by storm, then she may proceed to attack, but will be taken down. if sue comes at storm it takes one simple attack, electrifying the air. if johnny comes at sue, it takes a thought, and his flame is snuffed. storms powers operate by her willing them to, it only takes a thought to activate her powers.

Storm single handedly takes down both Sue and Johnny Storm. You asked before why it's been said you overestimate Storm. 😛
I think it's possible... but I don't think it's that plausible or likely.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Wolverine has more than once tried to cut reed in the past and was unsucsessful.

No he cannot.

Then why he's in this at all I don't have a clue.

Wait, when did IW start flying?

And to answer something from earlier, Spidey doesn't even necessarily need his special flame-retardent webbing. His normal webbing works just fine against flames/heat.

If you will recall Spidey's first encounter with the FF, Spidey basically instantly made a bat out of his normal webbing and knocked HT fireballs back at him.

What's to stop Spidey from making web gloves (like we all know he has done in the past and is still capable of doing), and socking HT when he gets too close?

And why wouldn't Colossus be able to jump super high/far? If the Hulk can do it, there's absolutely no reason why Colossus cannot.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then why he's in this at all I don't have a clue.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wait, when did IW start flying?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And to answer something from earlier, Spidey doesn't even necessarily need his special flame-retardent webbing. His normal webbing works just fine against flames/heat.

If you will recall Spidey's first encounter with the FF, Spidey basically instantly made a bat out of his normal webbing and knocked HT fireballs back at him.

Originally posted by paeng
And here is another worthless piece of evidence that you are showing. It's on the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and it's under page 11

And you say you are the best debater here in KMC Forum. (What a Joke) 😆

When'd I say that? I said I DON'T BACK DOWN!
What are you doing here, you know nothing of the characters.

You haven't even given an argument, venom turns into gasses, and spidey IS SOOOO MUCH TOUGHER! 🤣

whatever

Originally posted by paeng
I feel sorry if I get you frustrated. But you are the one who doesn't know anything at all.

You can't even post a valid single piece of evidence.

Do you remember this, this is your first piece of evidence it's on the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and it's under page 5.

Yep and spiderman lifts 10 tons right?

Originally posted by paeng
Yes I have read it,

And I post that reply to "defend" myself because he is flaming and bashing me into the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and even in "these" thread he continues to make nonsense comments about me which is not true so I have the right to prove that he is wrong.

Now ontopic:

I think the team of Spiderman, Wolverine, Storm & Colossus has the most advantages in these fight.

in "these" thread

Sorry man, you shot the first cannon, and looked like an ass, you still don't know what you're talking about, because I already said I wasn't talking about the games.

Do you want me to post how many people think you're an idiot? You were the only person arguing that side, 22 people disagreed with you on the first half of the thread, don't you understand? Christ you're a tool.

You came to debate, to win, you didn't. You failed, miserably.. Thats why you don't debate if you don't know your facts fanboy. The only reason you were in that thread, is because "wolveirne" was in it. You knew nothing of deathstroke, or ryu, and had your facts wrong on spiderman.

Don't be hard on yourself. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by paeng
You can't even post a valid single piece of evidence.

Like posting someone's nightmare shows what they are capable of?

Fantastic *tries to stretch far*

erg. . grr. . .mmph. . .

Damn it. . .

Okay okay. . uh. . *breaks fist punching the concrete*

AW $&$%!

*tries to run really fast* Brrf frmph. . .

Okay, okay I've got this one.

*sticks hand out and consetrates*
grr bmm . .

Nothing. . damn.

Originally posted by paeng
And here is another worthless piece of evidence that you are showing. It's on the thread (Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey) and it's under page 11

And you say you are the best debater here in KMC Forum. (What a Joke) 😆

You'll get your shirt soon.