Fantastic Four vs Spider-Man, Wolverine, Storm & Colossus

Originally posted by paeng
I based that on the fighting experience of Spiderman. And it doesn't mean you're stronger then your tougher. It's based on the character's traits not just brute strength. And beside's Spiderman has the most wins against Venom.

For example why do people always call Wolverine tough and very scary. Even when his facing much bigger opponent than him.

Spiderman wins against Venom with outside interference, other than that he owned him1 time, just by going beserk on venom after he'd killed an innocent.
He wouldn't beat venom h2h because venom is everything spiderman could be, and dampens his senses.

The comic is called Venomous, pick it up.....

This further discredits your own self, because you still end up wrong.

Originally posted by stormfront13
*****Sue reacts and attacks quicker*****

^^really, and Im sure that that is why storm's reflexes are said to be on par with wolverines.

*****As soon and the rain starts pouring on johnny...BAM storms knocked out by a force bolt*****

doesn't ned rAin to do it to johnny, just one just of wind. all that takes is a thought. Storm is better than this, and would be able to sense sue and attack.

*****Dont tell me storm can see her by viewing the energy patterns because she has to focus she doesnt always see like this*****

she doesn't need to switch her vision, she can sense sue through disturbance through the wind.

*****Storms Strong, Sues stronger*****

^^completley a matter of opinion.

Sue can knock Storm out with simple forcefield.

*****Imo you're underestimating the value of teamwork*****

^^so are you, colossus won't let them team up on storm, they call each other brother and sister, colossus has even thrown wolverine over a castle because he called storm a ''broad". he has many ways of getting to sue or johnny.

*****One brief gust of wind is going to snuff out flames that encompass the entirety of Torch's body and burn at around 800 F?*****

^^storm has snuffed his flame easily twice before with a gust of wind. and she knows not to use rain from experience.

*****You also assume that she won't need to evade flame attacks from Torch, and that Torch won't be maneuvering evasively as well.*****

^^she does things like that all the time in the danger room, and outside the danger room.

*****On top of all this IW is invisible and somehow Storm is dividing her concentration away from Torch blasting at her to sense disturbances in the wind so that she can find her?*****

^^storm doesn't have to sense her through the wind, she could just lock onto Sue's bio-electric field to sense her.

*****Sue can knock Storm out with simple forcefield.*****

^^storm can knock sue out with a simple attack also.

Originally posted by stormfront13
so are you, colossus won't let them team up on storm, they call each other brother and sister, colossus has even thrown wolverine over a castle because he called storm a ''broad". he has many ways of getting to sue or johnny.

Actually I'm not. Colossus is contained in my scenario within Mr. Fantastic's malleable form along with Wolverine and Spiderman. Albeit I don't know for how long so they have to act fast but this scenario allows for three attackers on Storm. Alternatively only Spidey and Wolvie are contained, while Colossus has to keep his attention on Thing. Take your pick.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm has snuffed his flame easily twice before with a gust of wind. and she knows not to use rain from experience.

Snuff out his flame and what's to stop him from flaming on again. He's not wet and there's plenty of oxygen around. He flames on and comes after her again.

Originally posted by stormfront13
she does things like that all the time in the danger room, and outside the danger room.

No two scenarios are ever truly identical. And I'm sure she loses in the Danger Room a lot too. Only outside the Danger Room there are no safety measures. Conversely I could say the FF face threats and train too.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm doesn't have to sense her through the wind, she could just lock onto Sue's bio-electric field to sense her.

Requires alteration of her perceptions, and thus takes time and concentration she doesn't always see and perceive as energy patterns.

Storm is not omniscient. One attacker she can see while the other's location is unknown. She has to focus attention on maintaining winds to fly, maneuvering to avoiding Johnny's flame attacks, she has to snuff out his flame in some way, she has to attack him, she has to locate IW, she has to avoid being attacked by IW whose attacks are also invisible, she has to attack IW. She has to do this all simultaneously in order for her to defeat them both. What's the likelyhood of that occuring?

As opposed to the simplicity of IW holding Storm still in a construct while Torch hits her with a blast of flame.

****Snuff out his flame and what's to stop him from flaming on again. He's not wet and there's plenty of oxygen around. He flames on and comes after her again.*****

^^it's easy, at the same time summon a gust of wind and a lightning bolt, that takes about a second of concentration.

*****Requires alteration of her perceptions, and thus takes time and concentration she doesn't always see and perceive as energy patterns.*****

^^nothing about sensing a bio-electric field requires altering her perceptions. she can naturally sense them. It takes a second to take out johnny, as soon as he flames on she can operate this attack. johnny isn't fast enough to dodge lightning, and a person can't dodge wind.

*****As opposed to the simplicity of IW holding Storm still in a construct while Torch hits her with a blast of flame.*****

storm can take johnny before the whole construct plan comes into play, then proceed to take sue. i know it is a bit of a stretch, but it is possible, and sue and johnny won't have synchronized attacks and go after the same person as soon as the fight starts.

If you all read the spiderman comics early on spider-man had almost beaten the FF on his own. He probably could have but the fight was broken up.

So I gotta go with SPidey & The Gang.

Just like xmarksthespot mentioned johnnys flame is going to be easily put out with a gust. If storm put out johnnys flame in the past he knows better and he could just get hotter making it more difficult for storm to extinquish him. And no johnny isnt faster than lightning but he is faster than the time it takes for storm to summon the lightning. While sotmr is dealing with johnny which will take longer than you are crediting storm. Sue can take her out wit ha force bolt. How will storm know to dodge the bolt. Also if storm can naturally sense bio electric field of living things that woudl mean it would be almost impossible to sneak up on her and thats untrue she as been snuck up upon.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Go back to school and learn ENGLISH.

Was that Black Panther that kicked The Thing, and knocked him down?

If the answer is yes that was black panther that kicked the thing and knocked him down.

Then think about that occurence.

Okay. I'm thinking about it. Black Panther kicked the Thing. I'm really not trying to be mean or offend you or anything. I just don't understand what BP knocking the Thing down has anything to do with electricity hurting the Thing?

Spiderman did it once to Ben. BP has done it. That leads me to believe that electicity can indeed hurt Ben.

Just like xmarksthespot mentioned Johnny's flame is going to be easily put out with a gust. If storm put out Johnny's flame in the past he knows better and he could just get hotter making it more difficult for storm to extinguish him.

^^didn't stop her from doing it the second time.

And no johnny isn't faster than lightning but he is faster than the time it takes for storm to summon the lightning

^^wow, johnny is faster than the speed of thought?

While Storm is dealing with johnny which will take longer than you are crediting storm.

^^no it won't, johnny is easy for storm to deal with and will take about a second or 2 of concentration. you are really overrating johnny here, his flame has been "offed" many times, and twice by a storm who wasn't even trying to do anything.

Also if storm can naturally sense bio electric field of living things that would mean it would be almost impossible to sneak up on her and thats untrue she as been snuck up upon.

^^she hasn't used this power till recently, but she can sense them which means she can sense sue.

I SAY FF IS AM RITE

i highly doubt it, the FF is good.......but not this good, these are the x-men. the x-men that are here are like the closest of them. they are all best friends and family. they have such a strong bond and such good team work that I think they win. colossus won't let storm hbe hurt, he would rather sacrifice himself rather than her be hurt, and the same goes for storm to colossus, that's the way they are. colossus literally won't let storm go down and he will try with all his power to help her out.

also if storm wanted to, she could just electrify the air around both johnny and sue and guide a surge to their brain frying their synapses, or she could just manipulate both of their bio-electric fields to shut-down their hearts simultaneously. storm would and could do this because she could just revive them by re-starting their hearts

SO NOT FF BUT THEY IN A FILM CALL FF

Originally posted by stormfront13
i highly doubt it, the FF is good.......but not this good, these are the x-men. the x-men that are here are like the closest of them. they are all best friends and family. they have such a strong bond and such good team work that I think they win. colossus won't let storm hbe hurt, he would rather sacrifice himself rather than her be hurt, and the same goes for storm to colossus, that's the way they are. colossus literally won't let storm go down and he will try with all his power to help her out.

No your underestimating the FF. THey all feel the same way about each other closer actually than the x-men because they are a real family. While Colossus and storm may call each brother and sister johnny and sue actually are. Also ben feels the same way when some one tries to hurt suzie he risks himself the same way colossus does for storm. Johnny is not faster than thought but storms lightining is not instant. It doesnt go at light speed or else all these characters wouldnt have been able to dodge her lightining. Spidey has dodged her lighting before hes not faster than thought. It takes her a few seconds to actually summon the lightning. As for my scenerio see what xmarksthespot wrote i agree with him.

I was talking about how close storm and colossus are. the x-men have better team-work than the four, well they do in my opinion. the x-men have synchronized attacks, and have telepaths to help ith the team-work. here they don't have a telepath, but that doesn't matter because they know each other like the back of their hand, they know what each other is capable of, what they can do and how they can fight. they are always working with each other and have combos with each other. the x-men have better teamwork than the ff imo. here you have the three closest x-men there are and spidey who has worked with the x-men a lot. he has even worked alone with storm and wolverine on separate occasions. now they have great teamwork with 2 of the best strategists in marvel(spidey and storm), and these people are some of the Best power-houses in marvel. you also have one of the most powerful mutants to ever walk the earth and is a suspected omega-level mutant. i am not underestimating the ff but if you consider both teams it seems as the x-men are closer and have better teamwork. the x-men are known in comics for their great teamwork.

*****Johnny is not faster than thought but storms lightning is not instant. It doesn't go at light speed or else all these characters wouldn't have been able to dodge her lightning. Spidey has dodged her lighting before hes not faster than thought. It takes her a few seconds to actually summon the lightning.*****

^^that proves that you don't know storm or haven't seen many of the fights she has been in. it takes a thought to summon lightning, and lightning moves at near light speed. the lightning comes instantly because storm commands it to. spidey can dodge it because with his spider-sence he knows of the danger that is coming and has about a second to react. johnny on the other hand will not be able to Dodge lightning while his flame is being out out.

Originally posted by stormfront13
I was talking about how close storm and colossus are. the x-men have better team-work than the four, well they do in my opinion. the x-men have synchronized attacks, and have telepaths to help ith the team-work. here they don't have a telepath, but that doesn't matter because they know each other like the back of their hand, they know what each other is capable of, what they can do and how they can fight. they are always working with each other and have combos with each other. the x-men have better teamwork than the ff imo. here you have the three closest x-men there are and spidey who has worked with the x-men a lot. he has even worked alone with storm and wolverine on separate occasions. now they have great teamwork with 2 of the best strategists in marvel(spidey and storm), and these people are some of the Best power-houses in marvel. you also have one of the most powerful mutants to ever walk the earth and is a suspected omega-level mutant. i am not underestimating the ff but if you consider both teams it seems as the x-men are closer and have better teamwork. the x-men are known in comics for their great teamwork.

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Originally posted by stormfront13
I was talking about how close storm and colossus are. the x-men have better team-work than the four, well they do in my opinion. the x-men have synchronized attacks, and have telepaths to help ith the team-work. here they don't have a telepath, but that doesn't matter because they know each other like the back of their hand, they know what each other is capable of, what they can do and how they can fight. they are always working with each other and have combos with each other. the x-men have better teamwork than the ff imo. here you have the three closest x-men there are and spidey who has worked with the x-men a lot. he has even worked alone with storm and wolverine on separate occasions. now they have great teamwork with 2 of the best strategists in marvel(spidey and storm), and these people are some of the Best power-houses in marvel. you also have one of the most powerful mutants to ever walk the earth and is a suspected omega-level mutant. i am not underestimating the ff but if you consider both teams it seems as the x-men are closer and have better teamwork. the x-men are known in comics for their great teamwork.

I disagree the FF are known for their great teamwork. I believe they work together best out of all teams in marvel. They were the first superhero FAMILY. They would all sacrificethem selves for one another. After Ben died the team went so far as to ressurect him themselves. Storm and Spidey are two great strategists no doubt but reed richards is the most intelligent man on earth hes used his smarts and strategies to defeat cosmic threats. That was all with prep but still hes one of the best field leaders aswell. Locking on to their bio elecrtic fields both at once and shutting down thier organs cant be instantaneous. Sue can just send a massive force blast and knock out storm.

As for my comment about sue being stronger than storm i know thats entirly an opinion, my opinion.

Um...Sue is stronger than storm. And the X-men's teamwork pales in comparison to the FF...saying the X-men work better as a team demonstrates u dont read or dont like FF.

Cyke WAS a great leader, but FF would most likely win if they were using their deadliest of attacks, out of character.

*****Locking on to their bio elecrtic fields both at once and shutting down thier organs cant be instantaneous.*****

^^it basically was when she did it to shinobi shaw

*****Sue can just send a massive force blast and knock out storm.*****

^^storm could also just electrify the air around sue, and protect herself with a pressure dome which people here said that it held a nuke.

*****Um...Sue is stronger than storm*****

^^that is 100% opinion, it isn't stated anywhere and both have ways of easily killing or knocking the other out.

and I personally think the FF are overrated, they are at their best when they have prep, and they don't here.