Prep or not, they're not exactly facing the strongest team on the planet. And it has been established that Sue is more powerful than Storm. Sue has held her own against much more powerful beings: More than one incarnation of a cosmic Doom, Galactus, Exitar the Celestial, Psi-Lord, etc. Storm has crumpled against all the powerful X-men enemies and usually leaves the real impressive feats to Jean Grey or Xavier.
Originally posted by MetalmanxBp is strong enough to kick and knock down ben?
Okay. I'm thinking about it. Black Panther kicked the Thing. I'm really not trying to be mean or offend you or anything. I just don't understand what BP knocking the Thing down has anything to do with electricity hurting the Thing?Spiderman did it once to Ben. BP has done it. That leads me to believe that electicity can indeed hurt Ben.
um yea, after he used a chemical that weakened the Thing down to the strength of a normal human. But what that has to do with electricity is beyond me. Im not sure when Spiderman hurt the Thing, but spiderman can lift 10 tons so he should very certainly be able to move the Thing. The Thing has been hit by lightning on other occasions, Storm is not the only lightning wielder in Marvel, he may have even been hit by Thor's lightning.
Originally posted by Wynndar
um yea, after he used a chemical that weakened the Thing down to the strength of a normal human. But what that has to do with electricity is beyond me. Im not sure when Spiderman hurt the Thing, but spiderman can lift 10 tons so he should very certainly be able to move the Thing. The Thing has been hit by lightning on other occasions, Storm is not the only lightning wielder in Marvel, he may have even been hit by Thor's lightning.
What he is implying, is when spiderman captured thing in his webbing making him unable to defend, by using his webbing with electricity.
Spiderman can lift 15 tons now though.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Does anyone know what kind of punishment the Thing has stood up to in his own comics? tell me the most impressive demonstration of the Things durability u know.
I'm not arguing that, I'm saying on that comic, thats what he's implying to. I'm not saying thing is weak in no shape or form.
What I want to know is can Wolverine handle the Thing like many have been implying.
I htink Wolverine can hurt the THing, but based on Wolverine's appearance in FF, in an issue written by Tom DeFalco, who portrayed a relatively under-rated Thing, Wolverine was capable of causing damage to the THing's skin, but Thing's fighting ability allowed him to man-handle Wolverine as well. I think Wolverine can casue some damage to the THing, but afterward, a very angry Thing would probably mess around and nearly kill wolverine.
6 or 7...like i always say, saying one team has powerful or more powerful members isnt real evidence that they would beat the FF, they are accustomed to fighting much more powerful enemies than themselves. Then in the case of this fight, they aren't even fighting a more powerful team. The Torch can unarguably beat Colossus and Wolverine. Storm is very vulnerable to him, and Spiderman really only wins from a popularity contest. Thing can take any memeber also in my opinion, but it would probably be difficult for him. Then when u get into Reed and Invisible Woman I dont think anyone on the opposing team really brings a threat.
Probably a stalemate from thing and colossus.
Spiderman has shown himself to handle better than torch, who doesn't strategize to well.
Reed would keep wolverine busy.
Sue and storm are the strongest, granted, that sue is fighting in character, and Storm could logically handly torch.
I'm saying stalemate, and leaning towards FF, but I'm still not so sure.
Storm could handle the torch but only in a situation where the torch is flying around slowly and not making an offense against Storm. Storm could hit him with lightning. But the Torch could also roast Storm. What if the Torch employs a similar offense that he staged against Graviton. Torch only loses to Storm or Spidey if Torch is portrayed in his old hot head stereotype. Writers still portray him this way when he crosses over into other titles. But if ur talking about a modern Torch written by a modern FF writer, he doesnt do that sort of stuff. For instance when Reed and Sue had left the FF the Torch acted like a leader and demonstrated a lot of control and mastery over his powers. If ur talking about the Torch that was written by Byrne, Defalco, or Claremont, he could probably take this whole team by himself! But if ur talking about Torch when he's making a Spiderman cameo, the torch thats chasing girls and wrecking cars, and getting beat by a bucket of water then of course he's gonna seem like a punk.
Have u seen Torch's fight against Graviton? Portrayed in that light he would have beat this whole team by himself. And he has other uses of his powers that are non lethal that would take down any character on that roster ie absorbing the ambient heat energy out of an environment. He did it to Graviton since Graviton made himself indestructable.
Thank you somebody who doesnt think torch is a hot head and will be taken out easily by storm. And I agree with you about sue being more powerful. Can storm blast a hole through galactus or knock out gldiator? Also storms pressure dome wont protect her from sue force blast.
wynndar do you have scans of the torch hyperion fight?