Human Torch vs. Pyro

Originally posted by jrodslam
Once Pyro sees a flame and gets within range, he can control it. While in control of a flame/fire, Pyro is immune to the temp apparently. This fight could very well be a stalemate because if Pyro tries to burn Torch in human form, Jonny automatically flames on thus causing him not to get burned.

Originally posted by diabloman
correct there. johnny can turn himself back into flame anytime he likes. and he can absorb flame as well. if his skin can take the flame thats covered all over him what the hell is that gonna do to him if pyro throws at him ?

Thats why i say stalemate. It seems that as long as Pyro can see the flame or fire, theres not much Torch can do to him. Even if Torch makes the flame super hot, as soon as Pyro takes control, the temp lowers and hes immune to the fire at that point.

Their best bet would be to go h2h, unless Torch goes nova and destroys the city where it would be to wide for Pyro to control.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats why i say stalemate. It seems that as long as Pyro can see the flame or fire, theres not much Torch can do to him. Even if Torch makes the flame super hot, as soon as Pyro takes control, the temp lowers and hes immune to the fire at that point.

Their best bet would be to go h2h, unless Torch goes nova and destroys the city where it would be to wide for Pyro to control.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats why i say stalemate. hes immune to the fire at that point. It seems that as long as Pyro can see the flame or fire, theres not much Torch can do to him. Even if Torch makes the flame super hot, as soon as Pyro takes control, the temp lowers and

Their best bet would be to go h2h, unless Torch goes nova and destroys the city where it would be to wide for Pyro to control.

hes immune to the fire at that point. It seems that as long as Pyro can see the flame or fire, theres not much Torch can do to him. Even if Torch makes the flame super hot, as soon as Pyro takes control, the temp lowers.

well actually torch can make it hotter anytime he wants while pyro is recieving it.

Originally posted by diabloman
well actually torch can make it hotter anytime he wants while pyro is recieving it.

I understand that, but Torch only makes the firs he shoots hotter. Once its out in the open, Pyro can take control of it no matter how hot it is i rekon. I highly doubt Torch has better control over fire than Pyro.

Nova or h2h would be Torch's best bet of winning imo.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I understand that, but Torch only makes the firs he shoots hotter. Once its out in the open, Pyro can take control of it no matter how hot it is i rekon. I highly doubt Torch has better control over fire than Pyro.

Nova or h2h would be Torch's best bet of winning imo.

Originally posted by diabloman
you doubt that torch has better control over figher well if pyro tries to take torches fire. torch can get it back as well cause he can control fire outside of his body but wont make a damn difference him taking back the fire cause he can turn himself back into flame in a sec. and i think you mean supernova

Torch can absorb fire that gets shot at him, but ive never seen or heard of Torch being able to take flame into himself without it being shot at him. If you can show something that would be nice.

If both are standing side by side and they bothe see a camp fire, Pyro can take the flame from 30 feet away and control it. Ive never heard or see of Torch doing the same. Ill concede if shown otherwise.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Torch can absorb fire that gets shot at him, but ive never seen or heard of Torch being able to take flame into himself without it being shot at him. If you can show something that would be nice.

If both are standing side by side and they bothe see a camp fire, Pyro can take the flame from 30 feet away and control it. Ive never heard or see of Torch doing the same. Ill concede if shown otherwise. thats what i meant taking the flame i was saying it like he can absorb it.

what i meant taking the flame i was saying it like he can absorb it. and im sure torch can throw fire a little ways to. he cant make some little birdy or what ever tricks pyro does of course.

Doesnt matter. I still say stalemate or Nova.

he can turn himself as hot as the sun and thats supernova.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Once Pyro sees a flame and gets within range, he can control it. While in control of a flame/fire, Pyro is immune to the temp apparently. This fight could very well be a stalemate because if Pyro tries to burn Torch in human form, Jonny automatically flames on thus causing him not to get burned.

Even without being flamed on Johnny is 100% fireproof.

Except to hellfire.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Even without being flamed on Johnny is 100% fireproof.

Except to hellfire.

This all depends on the distance the combatants start at. If Johnny is in Pyro's control range then flaming on would be the worst thing he could do, as Pyro would simply turn HT's flames into a physical construct and shrink it crushing him. Johnny's best bet in this situation would be to go hand to hand, however if they start outside of Pyro's control range then Johnny has time to fly into the upper atmosphere, crank up the heat and rain death upon Pyro, as I would imagine there's a limit to how much fire Pyro can control at once not to mention the temperature difference.

Originally posted by diabloman
johnny can turn himself as hot as the sun. nothing is hotter than the sun except for lightning

And there are many stars that are so much above sun in heat that it is ridicolous. Sun isn't that hot compared to some other things in space.

And Human Torch can cause a heat stroke to Pyro. He did this to She-Hulk by manipulating heat around him. And he can be hot without being on fire (surprised Namor with this trick) so it's no problem for him to go at Pyro and kill him with that way.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Lightning is only hotter then the surface of Sun. The inside is MUCH hotter then the sun.

Originally posted by diabloman
pyro can control fire not absorb. HT can burn pyro half to death cause he cant absorb it. HT can

1) YES, Pyro can't absorb fire and he can't create fire.
2) YES, HT can do those things.
3) YES, HT can also control fire to a certain degree.
4) The question in this fight is: Who is better at controlling fire?
5) Controlling fire is Pyro's main and only power and he expressed a greater mastery in this department than HT on panel over the years.
At the time Pyro was creating solid fire creatures able to throw around the Hulk and hold and almost kill Colossus, HT was described by Reed Richards as having less control than Franky Rays, though he can become hotter and faster. Surely HT developed since then, but so has Pyro until he died. Additionally, as hugely impressive his abilities are in raw power, HT never showed finesse and control over fire at a degree like Pyro.
Conclusion: It is relatively safe and reasonable to assume, that Pyro is better at controlling flames.
6) If Pyro is better at controlling fire, HT cannot burn him because Pyro will take control over the flames in advance. And if HT tries to absorb the flames of Pyro's creatures, he will first have to overcome Pyro's control over them, which he will most certainly not be able to do. HT will certainly not be burned by Pyro's creatures, but their brute physical power (see the Hulk and Colossus feats) will be able to cause serious damage.
7) If HT chooses not to use his powers and just physically charges Pyro, the latter will most certainly loose.

Originally posted by diabloman what i meant taking the flame i was saying it like he can absorb it. and im sure torch can throw fire a little ways to. he cant make some little birdy or what ever tricks pyro does of course.

Originally posted by diabloman
johnny can turn himself as hot as the sun. nothing is hotter than the sun except for lightning

"Hot as the sun" is as vague as it can get.
What part of the sun does that mean? The surface (about 6000°C)? The core (about 14,5Million°C)? The corona (100000 to 1Million°C)? The sunspots (about 4000°C)?
A lightning can cause a heat of aproximately 30000°C, btw.

Btw...how will you know what degree of heat Pyro can or can not control? We never saw his limits in this department.

Originally posted by wannabe

PLEASE don't talk about things you don't have an idea of.

"Hot as the sun" is as vague as it can get.
What part of the sun does that mean? The surface (about 6000°C)? The core (about 14,5Million°C)? The corona (100000 to 1Million°C)? The sunspots (about 4000°C)?
A lightning can cause a heat of aproximately 30000°C, btw.

Btw...how will you know what degree of heat Pyro can or can not control? We never saw his limits in this department.

Human Torch's heat is 1,000,000 Fahrenheit, so about 555537 degrees celsius.

And he can defeat Pyro by just heating his body, not creating fire.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And Human Torch can cause a heat stroke to Pyro. He did this to She-Hulk by manipulating heat around him. And he can be hot without being on fire (surprised Namor with this trick) so it's no problem for him to go at Pyro and kill him with that way.

Didnt the heatstroke come from dehydrating She-Hulk while she was trapped in the ground? She was already suffering from dehydration when she broke free.

And when did Torch give Namor a heatstroke?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Human Torch's heat is 1,000,000 Fahrenheit, so about 555537 degrees celsius.

And he can defeat Pyro by just heating his body, not creating fire.

Btw, since when is Pyro susceptible to heat and fire?
To my knowledge he has always been immune to it, not just to the fire he controlled, which would be rather stupid.
Pyro can surround himself with fire without burning, so even IF he should not be immune to fire and heat in general, he is AT LEAST able to control HEAT as well as fire itself, otherwise he would die each time from the heat a flame aura of his emits. Ergo your heat stroke strategy will most likely not work.
A physical attack is still the best thing HT can do to win.