Human Torch vs. Pyro

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Frankie Raye has better control of fire then Human Torch? Since when?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Torch simply turns off his flame and absorbs any of the physical fire that Pyro throws at him. Then goes and knocks Pyro out.

Originally posted by wannabe
Pyro's firebird carrying and holding Colossus in the air...

Originally posted by diabloman
hahahah eactly thats proving there that pyro needs some stupid flame thrower to attack others. HT has his own powers and he will burn that pack from behind in a sec and no more flame thrower or what ever that stupid thing is.

Pyro needs the flame thrower to creat flame....That's not stupid.

And ok, in order for HT to burn the flame thrower he'll need flames....Therefore giving Pyro the chance to use his powers with out the thrower....So that's helping Pyro, not huting him.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Pyro needs the flame thrower to creat flame....That's not stupid.

And ok, in order for HT to burn the flame thrower he'll need flames....Therefore giving Pyro the chance to use his powers with out the thrower....So that's helping Pyro, not huting him.

wow pyro can creat flames like a birdy you showed me there and he can make a little tree as well im sure. man he should go to the circus to show everyone he can do all those tricks. damn he would make some bucks big time.

Originally posted by diabloman
wow pyro can creat flames like a birdy you showed me there and he can make a little tree as well im sure. man he should go to the circus to show everyone he can do all those tricks. damn he would make some bucks big time.

Do me a favor....Go try to make fire be able to hold someone up in midair...Go on...Try it....It'll be fun.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Do me a favor....Go try to make fire be able to hold someone up in midair...Go on...Try it....It'll be fun.

Torch shoots flame at Pyro. Pyro manipulates it around him and makes it a huge fireball to shoot back at Torch. Or, he just sucks all the flame off Torch's body and he falls from the air.

Originally posted by roughrider
Torch shoots flame at Pyro. Pyro manipulates it around him and makes it a huge fireball to shoot back at Torch. Or, he just sucks all the flame off Torch's body and he falls from the air.

Originally posted by diabloman
hahahah eactly thats proving there that pyro needs some stupid flame thrower to attack others. HT has his own powers and he will burn that pack from behind in a sec and no more flame thrower or what ever that stupid thing is.

Why are you talking about proving that Pyro needs "some stupid flame thrower" and why are you laughing as if it would serve your position?
There was NEVER a doubt about Pyro's inability to CREATE fire on his own, not even for the Pro-Pyro-Faction, so what's your point?

What i proved with those pictures was, that Pyro can use fire to create flame creatures with the ability to hold and punch even characters with superstrength and superdurability, so he could also use HT's flames to crush his bones instead of burning him (which Pyro admittedly can't).

Originally posted by diabloman
wow pyro can creat flames like a birdy you showed me there and he can make a little tree as well im sure. man he should go to the circus to show everyone he can do all those tricks. damn he would make some bucks big time.

Originally posted by wannabe
🤨????

Why are you talking about proving that Pyro needs "some stupid flame thrower" and why are you laughing as if it would serve your position?
[B]There was NEVER a doubt about Pyro's inability to CREATE fire on his own, not even for the Pro-Pyro-Faction, so what's your point?

What i proved with those pictures was, that Pyro can use fire to create flame creatures with the ability to hold and punch even characters with superstrength and superdurability, so he could also use HT's flames to crush his bones instead of burning him (which Pyro admittedly can't).

Sarcasm - in a debate always the last resort of those, who are run out of constructive arguments.
Btw...that "birdy" almost killed Colossus. Really lame stunt...sure! 🙄 [/B]

Originally posted by diabloman
what i was saying that torch is more powerful then pyro. he can make fire anytime he wants. pyro has to get it from somwhere and like i said wont make a difference if pyro takes torches flames he will turn back into fire in a sec. if torch shoots fire at pyros faces adios amigo. pyro throwing fire at torch wont do a damn thing he can absorb fire of course.

Originally posted by wannabe
Since the comic in which she discovered her powers and was examined by Reed Richards. He himself said so.
HT: hotter, faster
Franky: better control
Unfortunately i can't give you the issue number because i only have it in a german edition without the info about the american version.

How old is the comic? Human Torch has developed alot over the years. Examples:
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humantorchfeat11ic.gif

http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humantorchfeat35cj.gif
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humantorchfeat40dy.gif

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2535/humantorchfeat138ib.gif

Besides, he could just melt the flamethrowers of Pyro, land down and not create any flame, and then strangle him or something. 😛

glad somebody gets it

Originally posted by diabloman
what i was saying that torch is more powerful then pyro. he can make fire anytime he wants. pyro has to get from somwhere and like i said wont make a difference if pyro takes torches flames he will turn back into fire in a sec. if torch shoots fire at pyros faces adios amigo. pyro throwing fire at torch wont do a damn thing he can absorb fire of course.

Of course HT has generally an advantage in any other fight because he can create his own flames, but that's not the issue in this particular fight.
This one is about control, and though both can control fire, Pyro's mastery of the flames is superior to that of HT.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Human Torch has developed alot over the years.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Besides, he could just melt the flamethrowers of Pyro, land down and not create any flame, and then strangle him or something.

Originally posted by wannabe
Again you avoid reacting directly to the things another one brought up and talk about something else.

Of course HT has generally an advantage in any other fight because he can create his own flames, [B]but that's not the issue in this particular fight.
This one is about control, and though both can control fire, Pyro's mastery of the flames is superior to that of HT.

He certainly did, but Pyro didn't stop developing since the time he nearly killed Colossus either.(Please don't come with "He's dead now", please!)
I already admitted two times, that killing Pyro without using his powers would be a good option for HT, cause it would exploit Pyro's weakness of depending on outside fire. [/B]

Originally posted by diabloman
dude once again i said before that HT can control fire outside himself so thats doing the same thig as pyro.

Originally posted by diabloman
...and again a 100 times. pyros skin is the same as any human being. HT shoots fire at his face hes gone.

Originally posted by wannabe
[B]I PERFECTLY KNOW, THAT HT CAN CONTROL FIRE OUTSIDE HIMSELF!!! I admitted this several times in my posts you reacted to (didn't you notice?).
Again: THAT'S NOT THE POINT!
The question is, who is the better fire controller.
I posted several facts and pics to underline my thinking, that Pyro is better at controlling flames and how he can use this edge to his favour.
All you did was talking about Pyro's inability to create fire (which is nothing anyone denied and irrelevant in this fight) and avoiding to directly react to arguments, using sarcasm instead.
HT shoots and Pyro uses these flames in his favour, leaving his normal human skin unharmed. [/B]

Originally posted by diabloman
unharmed ? please man come on. HT can absorb fire of course. but HT throwin fire at pyros body good bye. pyro can only hold up to a certain amount. HT can throw as many as he wants.

Again you didn't react on my other statements, those that are core of my argumentation and also the reason why i think that HT cannot harm Pyro with his fire.
Btw...fireabsorption is a form of controlling the fire. If Pyro dosn't let HT do that, and i already explained why Pyro should be able to do so imo, HT is mush.

Originally posted by wannabe
Would you please back this up, cause right now it's nothing more than a simple proclamation.

[B]Again you didn't react on my other statements, those that are core of my argumentation and also the reason why i think that HT cannot harm Pyro with his fire.
Btw...fireabsorption is a form of controlling the fire. If Pyro dosn't let HT do that, and i already explained why Pyro should be able to do so imo, HT is mush. [/B]

Once Pyro sees a flame and gets within range, he can control it. While in control of a flame/fire, Pyro is immune to the temp apparently. This fight could very well be a stalemate because if Pyro tries to burn Torch in human form, Jonny automatically flames on thus causing him not to get burned.