after reading that it makes it harder to say read the hole thing not just the top
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Torch
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4775/htorch.html
Originally posted by He-guy88there you go pal it says on the link he can absorb heat and energy. and this thread at the top doesnt say anyting about the original torch
after reading that it makes it harder to say read the hole thing not just the top
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Torch
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4775/htorch.html
Originally posted by He-guy88so you think torch is just gonna stand still and let pyro control his flames ? uh no he would give a pyro enough fire than he cant even handle. pyro can control fire up to a limit at one time. HT anytime
yes i know but thats not wat its about its about him turning into flames then being controlled by pyro heat the thing
Again diabloman, a fight fought with their powers would most certainbly give Pyro the win because...
1) HT is overall more powerful and versatile than Pyro...except in the fire control department. Even though he also has some control over fire, Pyro is simply better at it.
2) The moment Johnny flames on, Pyro could use his superior control to take over HT's flames.
3) We (that includes you) actually don't know about the exact upper limits of Pyro's powers, but since he can control the size as well as the temperature of fires, HT will most likely not owerwhelm him with flames.
4) Once having control over the flames, Pyro can use them to inflict massive physical damage on HT, bypassing HT's immunity to heat - his flame creature have an actual super strength level, which has nothing to do with the flames heat. That's why the Hulk and Colossus feats were mentioned in the first place.
5) Of course HT could try to absorb the flames before they cause damage, but that would mean he'd have to overcome Pyro's control over them in the first place. He can't do that because of 1), so literally "stealing" the flames from Pyro won't work.
Originally posted by wannabeonce again you think only pyro can control fire. you just think HT turns into flames. but he can control fire outside of himself as well. big deal if he cant make some tree or house or what ever pyro does with his flamethrower. HT would burn that thing in a sec. and by by flame thrower. and im sure he will run at sometime. and dont say he has infinity. what is santa gonna come back and fill up hist pack again ?
[B]Again diabloman, a fight fought with their powers would most certainbly give Pyro the win because...1) HT is overall more powerful and versatile than Pyro...except in the fire control department. Even though he also has some control over fire, Pyro is simply better at it.
2) The moment Johnny flames on, Pyro could use his superior control to take over HT's flames.
3) We (that includes you) actually don't know about the exact upper limits of Pyro's powers, but since he can control the size as well as the temperature of fires, HT will most likely not owerwhelm him with flames.
4) Once having control over the flames, Pyro can use them to inflict massive physical damage on HT, bypassing HT's immunity to heat - his flame creature have an actual super strength level, which has nothing to do with the flames heat. That's why the Hulk and Colossus feats were mentioned in the first place.
5) Of course HT could try to absorb the flames before they cause damage, but that would mean he'd have to overcome Pyro's control over them in the first place. He can't do that because of 1), so literally "stealing" the flames from Pyro won't work. [/B]
Originally posted by wannabe
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5) Of course HT could try to absorb the flames before they cause damage, but that would mean he'd have to overcome Pyro's control over them in the first place. He can't do that because of 1), so literally "stealing" the flames from Pyro won't work.
He wouldn't actually need to override his control over the fire. It doesn't really matter how well they are controlled, they are still fire and he can absorb them.
Now if he would try to control the fire, that would be different.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerwont matter if pyro tries to control it or take it. HT can turn back into fire any time he likes
He wouldn't actually need to override his control over the fire. It doesn't really matter how well they are controlled, they are still fire and he can absorb them.Now if he would try to control the fire, that would be different.
By the way, I'm not even sure if Pyro could take control of "fire" surrounding HT, since it's not actually fire, it's plasma (Although the plasma seems to be on fire). At least his bio states so, I'm not sure if this has ever been contradicted in comics. Also, HT can increase temperature of other objects too, so he could heat Pyro's brain or something.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerfinally somone gets it. but actually yes that is flame over him.
By the way, I'm not even sure if Pyro could take control of "fire" surrounding HT, since it's not actually fire, it's plasma (Although the plasma seems to be on fire). At least his bio states so, I'm not sure if this has ever been contradicted in comics. Also, HT can increase temperature of other objects too, so he could heat Pyro's brain or something.
Originally posted by diablomanOH...MY...GOD!!!
once again you think only pyro can control fire. you just think HT turns into flames. but he can control fire outside of himself as well. big deal if he cant make some tree or house or what ever pyro does with his flamethrower. HT would burn that thing in a sec. and by by flame thrower. and im sure he will run at sometime. and dont say he has infinity. what is santa gonna come back and fill up hist pack again ?
I KNOW THAT HT CAN CONTROL FIRE AS WELL!
My saying...
Originally posted by wannabe...is that really so difficult to read?
1) HT is overall more powerful and versatile than Pyro...except in the fire control department. Even though HT also has some control over fire, Pyro is simply better at it.
And i think this way...
...because Pyro has shown far more examples of control than HT.
...because Reed himself said, that Johnny had less control than Franky Ray and she never expressed control on Pyro's level.
...because Fire Control is Pyro's only power, the only thing he's been training all his life, while HT has other powers as well he had to master.
...because HT was never able to manipulate flames in a way that they become almost solid and are able to carry, hold and punch superstrong characters like Hulk and Colossus.
And why AGAIN are you mentioning Pyro's flamethrower and tell us, that HT would burn it away anyway? In my argumentation i was NEVER including this flamethrower. I based Pyro's possible tactic on HT's flames solely, see...
Originally posted by wannabe...so stop to emphasize Pyro's inability to generate fire...we all agree on this anyway!
2) The moment Johnny flames on, Pyro could use his superior control to take over HT's flames.
* HT can cover his body in fire, fly at supersonic speeds, project fireballs or other fire objects, manipulate existing flame, and absorb heat with some mental strain. He can generate a nova-level burst of flame, one million degrees Fahrenheit, although this usually exhausts his powers for some time. Under normal usage, he is able to maintain his flame form for up to 17 hours.
* on the other hand...
* Pyro was a mutant with the psionic ability to cause any fire he could see within a 100-yard radius of himself to grow in size and intensity and to take on any form that he could imagine, even living creatures. Pyro could then mentally direct a creation to do anything he wished by concentrating, the degree necessary being directly proportionate to the size, power, and intensity of the creation. Pyro was unable to create fire himself.
Pyro wore a kerosene-based flame-thrower on his back that could generate a stream of flame of up to 25 feet away.
Pyro also wore a specially insulated costume that afforded him a certain degree of protection against fires he did not control.
* IMO, it may go either way... as stated on HT's bio, HT can absorb heat with some mental strain, HT's flaw here is if he can absorb heat more than he can take...
* HT can also manipulate existing flame, which directly conflicts Pyro's psionic control over fire... the question here is who can control a certain flame to overcome his opponent...
* HT can fly at supersonic speed and can generate a nova-level burst of flame, one million degrees Fahrenheit... this is HT's advantage, and of course, Pyro's "specially insulated costume" cannot protect him from a million-degree Fahrenheit flame...
* Pyro can mentally direct a creation to do anything he wished by concentrating, the degree necessary being directly proportionate to the size, power, and intensity of the creation... here lies another puzzle... how powerful is the form created by Pyro from a flame, how high the intensity of it... if it's something HT can't overcome, Pyro would take a lead...