I can't believe this is still going on!
Diabloman, you're putting Human Torch on too much of a pedestal here, of course he can't absorb hellfire, it's mystical. Anyhow, that's off-thread.
Pyro would win of course, since he can manipulate fire, therefore having the ability to manipulate the human torch
That's about it in a nutshell. Though I can't see this thread reaching any conclusion the way it's going 🙄
Originally posted by diablomanOh contraire mon ami, I did my homework!!!
dosnt look like your reading my posts you keep on saying the same BS over and over. and you just dont want to admit it. you like to go on and on.
The thing is, that for the last ten or so posts of yours you just kept saying that HT can also control fire, that he is able to absorb fire, that he can't be hurt by heat, that Pyro can't create fire and that all the people who are talking against HT in this confrontation are ignoring these facts.
Pretty strange, because i repeatedly agreed with you about HT's abilities and very well considered them during my argumentation, yet you repeatedly ignored the arguments and instead kept on proclaiming things that were plain wrong, without actually proposing counter arguments.
Just ONE example out of so many:
When you say...
Originally posted by diabloman...despite me saying some posts earlier...
...yall dont get it through your hard head that HT can absorb fire. wont do a damn thing what pyro does to him. and you think pyro is the only one that can control fire. HT can as well...
Originally posted by wannabe...what am i supposed to think about you and your reading abilities???
1) HT is overall more powerful and versatile than Pyro...except in the fire control department. Even though HT also has some control over fire, Pyro is simply better at it.
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5) Of course HT could try to absorb the flames before they cause damage, but that would mean he'd have to overcome Pyro's control over them in the first place. He can't do that because of 1), so literally "stealing" the flames from Pyro won't work.
Originally posted by wannabe...yet you constantly refuse reacting to my arguments and keep repeating things i already reasonably dealt with in my posts!
And i think this way...
...because Pyro has shown far more examples of control than HT.
...because Reed himself said, that Johnny had less control than Franky Ray and she never expressed control on Pyro's level.
...because Fire Control is Pyro's only power, the only thing he's been training all his life, while HT has other powers as well he had to master.
...because HT was never able to manipulate flames in a way that they become almost solid and are able to carry, hold and punch superstrong characters like Hulk and Colossus (which has nothing to do with the fire's heat).
Originally posted by Up In Flameshow can he manipulate his fire in the 1st place? he can turn on and off in a sec. i pyro takes his fire he can turn back on in a sec. and pyro doesnt throw hell fire so it wont do a damn thing to HT if he shoots flame at him. wow and big deal pyro can make a little birdy or house or what ever with his stupid flame thrower.
Pyro would win of course, since he can manipulate fire, therefore having the ability to manipulate the human torch
Originally posted by FG725
Torch would take down Pyro while pyro can only manipulate fire torch can create it and cover himself with it doesnt burn him so getting more fire on him isnt gonna do any damage
First off, I know this is an ancient post but oh well. Hear me out.
The ability to string sentances together without any commas, periods etc. is an art, I have come to realize, on these forums.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The ball is completely in Torch's court on this one. He can absorb everything Pyro does into himself. And if it comes down to a fight between the two with no flames at all, he can just knock Pyro's block off. Clearly Pyro can't be that great in hand to hand if he's dead.
He died because of the Legacy virus....That's not really a fair assumption that you said about him....If Rambo died from cancer would anyone doubt his fighting ability?
Just incase some people dont know, Pyros fire creatures actually have the mass to pick up solid heavy things, people etc.
Even if Torch is flamed on, Pyro's fire creature can still grab Torch's lims(even while still in torched form) and rip them off. Torchs fire manipulation doesnt beat Pyros, so hed have no way to stop it. Its not like hed absorb the flame because it would be in Pyros controll, but he just wouldnt feel the affects of the heat/fire and get burned.
A Pyro fire construct or two pulling at Torches limbs would indeed be able to rip them off. Torch doesnt have the physical strength to overcome or prevent it.
Originally posted by diablomanAgain no reaction to the arguments i brought up and back to square one...sarcasm and the repetition of things that have already been accepted and/or dismissed long time ago.
how can he manipulate his fire in the 1st place? he can turn on and off in a sec. i pyro takes his fire he can turn back on in a sec. and pyro doesnt throw hell fire so it wont do a damn thing to HT if he shoots flame at him. wow and big deal pyro can make a little birdy or house or what ever with his stupid flame thrower.
I agree fully with you jrodslam...
Originally posted by wannabeI don't expect diabloman to read it again, not to speak of actually understanding it or even reacting to it with precise counter argument, but to the rest of the HT supporters here it is anyway.
1) HT is overall more powerful and versatile than Pyro...except in the fire control department. Even though he also has some control over fire, Pyro is simply better at it.2) The moment Johnny flames on, Pyro could use his superior control to take over HT's flames.
3) We actually don't know about the exact upper limits of Pyro's powers, but since he can control the size as well as the temperature of fires, HT will most likely not owerwhelm him with flames.
4) Once having control over the flames, Pyro can use them to inflict massive physical damage on HT, bypassing HT's immunity to heat - his flame creature have an actual super strength level, which has nothing to do with the flames heat. That's why the Hulk and Colossus feats were mentioned in the first place.
5) Of course HT could try to absorb the flames before they cause damage, but that would mean he'd have to overcome Pyro's control over them in the first place. He can't do that because of 1), so literally "stealing" the flames from Pyro won't work.
Originally posted by superman41082
I just think Johnny is everything Pyro is, and then some. The math seems simple to me. Storm punches him in the face with a warm fist and knocks him out.........
u got it backwards kiddo, Pyro is everything that Johnny should aspire to be....just imagine how powerful he could be if his mastery of pyrokinesis was @ Pyros level...."flamin on" (all gay jokes aside) is cool and all but I'd rather b good at my job
Originally posted by superman41082Yes, Johnny has basically most of Pyro's powers and than some, but in this case it's rather irrelevant, cause Pyro just have to be better in the most important power aspect - control. And he is!
I just think Johnny is everything Pyro is, and then some. The math seems simple to me. Storm punches him in the face with a warm fist and knocks him out.........
Originally posted by nimrod009Perhaps i should... 😐
Hey wannabe, you've presented a perfect argument but the words 'cause' and 'lost' come to mind. 🙄I'd leave it well alone now if I were you!