Human Torch vs. Pyro

Started by diabloman33 pages

Originally posted by wannabe
[B]OH...MY...GOD!!!
I usually hate to get personal in a debate, but you really seem to have serious reading and understanding problems.

I KNOW THAT HT CAN CONTROL FIRE AS WELL!
My saying......is that really so difficult to read?

And i think this way...
...because Pyro has shown far more examples of control than HT.
...because Reed himself said, that Johnny had less control than Franky Ray and she never expressed control on Pyro's level.
...because Fire Control is Pyro's only power, the only thing he's been training all his life, while HT has other powers as well he had to master.
...because HT was never able to manipulate flames in a way that they become almost solid and are able to carry, hold and punch superstrong characters like Hulk and Colossus.

And why AGAIN are you mentioning Pyro's flamethrower and tell us, that HT would burn it away anyway? In my argumentation i was NEVER including this flamethrower. I based Pyro's possible tactic on HT's flames solely, see......so stop to emphasize Pyro's inability to generate fire...we all agree on this anyway! [/B]

doesnt matter if pyro can control his fire. he can turn on and off. wont do a damn thing to him. and if he grabs HTs fire and throw it at him wont do a damn thing. once again get this through your head HT CAN ABSORB FIRE.

Wannabe...forget it, dude. diabloman just does not understand and apparently will never understand this very simple concept.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wannabe...forget it, dude. diabloman just does not understand and apparently will never understand this very simple concept.
yall dont get it through your hard head that HT can absorb fire. wont do a damn thing what pyro does to him. and you think pyro is the only one that can control fire. HT can as well. yall are probably going for him just because hes a bad guy.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Co-sign.

it seems like d is the only one who votes ht on this

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Co-sign.

i co-sing ur co-sing

Originally posted by He-guy88
it seems like d is the only one who votes ht on this
put your specs on and look up at the poll of how many votes there are. HT has the most dude

Originally posted by diabloman
doesnt matter if pyro can control his fire. he can turn on and off. wont do a damn thing to him. and if he grabs HTs fire and throw it at him wont do a damn thing. once again get this through your head HT CAN ABSORB FIRE.
Seriously diabloman, what is that with you?
Do you just start reading the first two or three words of a post and then stop when it's an expression of a different point of view before getting to the actual argumentation? I seriously think so, cause otherwise you would have noticed the following (please take the time to actually READ each point, especially the fifth, ok?)...
Originally posted by wannabe
1) HT is overall more powerful and versatile than Pyro...except in the fire control department. Even though HT also has some control over fire, Pyro is simply better at it.

2) The moment Johnny flames on, Pyro could use his superior control to take over HT's flames.

3) We (that includes you) actually don't know about the exact upper limits of Pyro's powers, but since he can control the size as well as the temperature of fires, HT will most likely not owerwhelm him with flames.

4) Once having control over the flames, Pyro can use them to inflict massive physical damage on HT, bypassing HT's immunity to heat - his flame creature have an actual super strength level, which has nothing to do with the flames heat. That's why the Hulk and Colossus feats were mentioned in the first place.

5) Of course HT could try to absorb the flames before they cause damage, but that would mean he'd have to overcome Pyro's control over them in the first place. He can't do that because of 1), so literally "stealing" the flames from Pyro won't work.

The quoted things i wrote about 20 postings before and repeated many of them for you ever since!!!
Now, can you PLEASE tell me where exactly i expressed my alleged ignorance about HT's ability to control or to absorb fire in my argumentation???
Btw...you very well know, that, when Pyro started controlling a fire, he can extend it, heat it up and down and keep it burning just as he wishes, so no turning off will instantly stop him once he gained control over HT's flames.
Originally posted by diabloman
...yall are probably going for him just because hes a bad guy.
A definite NO from me here!
I think in the comics Pyro is an average character...at best! He has nowhere near a defined personality like Johnny has. His powers are very not-thought-through. And his status as a bad guy is also rather lame.
I think HT is far more interesting, cooler, funnier and well developed.
Yet i think (and well-founded), that in a classic power duel Pyro has an edge.

So PLEASE start thoroughly reading other peoples postings and reacting directly to the arguments instead of just repeating false accusations over and over again, will ya?!

Is this still going on? 🤨 🤪 😕

Originally posted by LordKaos
Is this still going on? 🤨 🤪 😕
they still dont get it that HT is the master of fire and nothing can harm him with heat. pyro can get hurt in many ways. but dont get it through there hard heads.

I'm surprised it's still going on too. HT would own pyro even if it was:

1.Hand to hand
2.Racecar race
3.Chess
4.Footerace
5.Getting a date

One of the only things pyro owns HT in is a cool accent.

Originally posted by diabloman
they still dont get it that HT is the master of fire and nothing can harm him with heat. pyro can get hurt in many ways. but dont get it through there hard heads.
And still you just proclaim something instead of reacting to the arguments and their backup! I bet you didn't read my last reaction to your previous post...again...or are you just run out of reasonable counter arguments?!
Great style in a debate...and so convincing! 🙄

Btw...i have some comics, in which HT did get hurt by fire (Nova, Firelord, fire elemental...) AND i already proved, that it will not be the heat of Pyro's flames that will pose a threat to HT...which you would know, if you'd actually read the posts! (My last to you is at the top of this page of the thread)

Originally posted by wannabe
And still you just proclaim something instead of reacting to the arguments and their backup! I bet you didn't read my last reaction to your previous post...[B]again...or are you just run out of reasonable counter arguments?!
Great style in a debate...and so convincing! 🙄

Btw...i have some comics, in which HT did get hurt by fire (Nova, Firelord, fire elemental...) AND i already proved, that it will not be the heat of Pyro's flames that will pose a threat to HT...which you would know, if you'd actually read the posts! (My last to you is at the top of this page of the thread) [/B]

dosnt look like your reading my posts you keep on saying the same BS over and over. and you just dont want to admit it. you like to go on and on.

If pyro suddenly went and made a deal w/ a magical being, he could use hellfire on HT, which would hurt anyone, even if they're cosmic, earthly, etc. Altho I dont' think pyro can control hellfire, and would kill them both in the process.

Originally posted by Lethal_Rise
If pyro suddenly went and made a deal w/ a magical being, he could use hellfire on HT, which would hurt anyone, even if they're cosmic, earthly, etc. Altho I dont' think pyro can control hellfire, and would kill them both in the process.
doesnt matter what temp pyro uses on him. he can absorb fire at any temp.

Originally posted by diabloman
doesnt matter what temp pyro uses on him. he can absorb fire at any temp.

HT does indeed get burned/hurt by Hellfire.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
HT does indeed get burned/hurt by Hellfire.
he can turnhimself as hot as the sun. i doubt that would hurt him

Dude do you even know what Hellfire is?

Pyro would win of course, since he can manipulate fire, therefore having the ability to manipulate the human torch