The so called "Most Powerful Sith Lord Ever"

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Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
hey, im not arguing, i just wanted to know. I wouldnt take out a lone to make three planet sized planet destroyers, not to mention if they had weakness's such as thermal exaust ports, if i could destroy planets myself. and, i did read that, you dont need to reapeat it, ivalice. Thanks for clearing that up, gid.

Very few people actually take the time to read thoroughly in Star Wars lore and take into account the grand scheme of things with the Expanded Universe; that is to say that most people are probably thinking the exact same thing. But Darth Sidious isn't the only Force user capable of such magnitude of power that relies on other forces. Darth Nihilus is capable of draining a planet of its life, yet makes use of a starfleet and Naga Sadow is capable of causing a star to go supernova, yet makes use of a starfleet. Amazing Force powers and/or Sith arcana are certainly handy, but it would be foolish to not make use of additional security measures. The fact remains that, to most of the galaxy, Palpatine was a "beloved" figure; the vast majority of the galaxy's citizenry disassociated Palpatine with the horrors and atrocities committed by the Imperial State. Owning planets with the Force would undermine that. Furthermore, Palpatine only came into that refined level of power in Dark Empire. Lastly, remember, Palpatine is the ultimate tyrant. He rules through overwhelming power to crush any and all resistance. For his ambition and narcissism, Force Storms aren't enough.

So sids is in essence, somewhat crazy.

Certainly. He's clearly a psychopath and a deranged, malignant narcissist with limitless ambition.

maybe it ravages the surface, and not destroys the entire planet? like what was done to telos? maybe he needed the death stars because the planets could still be restored, (like telos) after his force attack.

Maybe.

Re: The so called "Most Powerful Sith Lord Ever"

ok dudes hands down the most powerful sith lord is Darth sidious i hate to say it but i know where to find a list that says so. but it also says the only reason why hes the most powerful is he had very rare and powerful Kyber crystals. the 2nd most powerful sith lord is vader and the third is My favorite Darth Bane yea boy

Originally posted by Darth Maliko
It is utterly impossible to say who is the most powerful Sith without a DIRECT quote from George. He is the only true authority on this and I think he wants to leave it to complete speculation.
It could be Vader(pre-suit) he was considered the "chosen one" by Jedi and had an unmatched midi-chlorian count. If he hadn't have been burned on Mustafar, then who knows how powerful he could have became. Some even speculate that Vader was the Sith'ari.
I think its bullshit.
It could also be any of the ancient Sith that were thought of as the Sith'ari(Bane, Revan, etc.).
I think Bane and Revan are the best candidates.

bro youre right Bane is awesome

Originally posted by LordOfSithGods
Like i have been saying for a very long time now! Darth Sidious is just too overated! I have never said he is weak. I have also never said Nilhus is weak!

All i'm saying is they are NOT the best!

And to the guy who said i have no respect for GL or canon is completely wrong. GL is one of the greatest film makers to ever live! That we can all agree on.

Whoever is the Sitharri is meant to be the most powerful Sith. That is canon! Isn't it!?
Darth Sidious can't be a Sitharri, if GL has never said anything about Sids being Sitharri!

GL never even mentioned anything about a sitharri. That title was originated by the EU.

Exar Kun is the man

Exar Kun was the most powerful sith lord ever. hands down.

Re: Exar Kun is the man

Originally posted by hammerofthor
Exar Kun was the most powerful sith lord ever. hands down.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Re: Exar Kun is the man

Originally posted by hammerofthor
Exar Kun was the most powerful sith lord ever. hands down.
nuhuh. darth maul is the best, becuz he has 2 points on his lightsaber and has scars and tatoos and horns, and looks realy badass. plus, he wuld hav beet obi-1, who beat anakin, who killed darth emperor.

LOL at Darth Emperor. Anyways,

[KotOR Fanboy]No youre a new sith fanboi sidious or maul or whatever arent tru sith lordfs their wik in fact becuz the anciant sith like revan who ownz all cuz hes uber and he killd like a gazilion puple and ragnwos is even stanger cuz kreia said so, and shes rilly smart. almost as smart as mi. hahahaha. anyway revan rapes cuz palsp is a coward who sux.[/KotOR Fanboy]

(Based on a true story: http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=41950)

Kun's learning rate meets or exceeds Bane's...meaning, it's absolutely ridiculous.

I likes him. Sadly, he isn't the most powerful. 🙁

its between bane and kun. bane established the rule of two. found out about the thought bomb. did all sorts of crazy shit. kun shook the very foundations of the entire galaxy, plus he was a fallen jedi so he had more experience than most. for me its kun or bane. but sidious is stupid. and revan only killed so many people cuz they made him up for a video game. but that kid talkin bout maul he was cool ut not most powerful material.

what about darth plagueis he found out how to manipulate midichlorians and create life. its speculated that thats how anakin was made. he seems like hes pretty powerful. sidious killed him but it was in his sleep so it wasnt a match of skill.

Originally posted by hammerofthor
bane established the rule of two.

With some help from Revan though. Also founding an order alone doesn't make one powerful. Kaan made the brotherhood and that doesn't make him one of the most powerful.

found out about the thought bomb

From Revan's holocron, who I believe learned from the ancient sith knowledge. Plus the attack is not useful in one vs one scenarios.

kun shook the very foundations of the entire galaxy

So did every other major sith.

plus he was a fallen jedi so he had more experience than most

Fallen padawan, he jedi knowledge before he fell was probably not that much better then Kenobi's in TPM.

but that kid talkin bout maul he was cool ut not most powerful material.

He's being sarcastic.

what about darth plagueis he found out how to manipulate midichlorians and create life. its speculated that thats how anakin was made. he seems like hes pretty powerful. sidious killed him but it was in his sleep so it wasnt a match of skill.

We don't even know what he looks like, so he can't be included in the discussion of the most powerful.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
LOL at Darth Emperor. Anyways,

[KotOR Fanboy]No youre a new sith fanboi sidious or maul or whatever arent tru sith lordfs their wik in fact becuz the anciant sith like revan who ownz all cuz hes uber and he killd like a gazilion puple and ragnwos is even stanger cuz kreia said so, and shes rilly smart. almost as smart as mi. hahahaha. anyway revan rapes cuz palsp is a coward who sux.[/KotOR Fanboy]

(Based on a true story: http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?showtopic=41950)

Just read the opening post and I'm looking forward to the rest. Are you in that debate?

Originally posted by hammerofthor
its between bane and kun. bane established the rule of two. found out about the thought bomb. did all sorts of crazy shit. kun shook the very foundations of the entire galaxy, plus he was a fallen jedi so he had more experience than most. for me its kun or bane. but sidious is stupid. and revan only killed so many people cuz they made him up for a video game. but that kid talkin bout maul he was cool ut not most powerful material.

Capitalization is your friend. You almost used proper grammar, if we leave out the numerous run on sentences.

1. The Rule of Two was inspired by Darth Revan's teachings he found in the academy on Korriban.
2.Bane 'found out about the Thought Bomb' from Revan's Holocron so Revan should be credited with the prestige of the attack as well.
3. Kun's 'shaking foundations' is rather vague. Are you quoting a narrator's hyperbole, his affect on the power structure of the galaxy, or his affect on the balance on the Force. If the former, then its up to you to show how it applies to the subject, and why we shouldn't ignore it as narrative flair. If either of the latter, you should be mindful that Palpatine had an enormously greater influence on both the political landscape- he acquired dictatorial powers from a democracy- through the democratic process and on the Force- he was the 'first to tame the dark side' and was capable of blunting the sensitivity of the Jedi on a galactic scale.
4. Kun's experience is overshadowed by Dooku's, who was a Jedi for far longer, and had far greater prestige and training, and by Revan, who was also a Jedi before he was a Sith.
5. Sidious is not stupid- he orchestrated the Clone Wars, and was a master manipulator. The RotS novel says of Sidious "[...] Sidious was a political manipulator so subtle that his abilities might be considered to dwarf even the power of the dark side itself." By NO means can he be considered unintelligent.
6. We ignore the gameplay mechanics of video games, so Revan isn't credited with '18 Dark jedi kills, 56 Sand people kills" etc. We only accept kills confirmed by cannon (and cutscenes?) which include the Krayt Dragon, Darth Bandon, Darth Malak, and (I believe) the Sith Academy on Korriban.
7. Maul is cool, but I don't think anyone was willing to place him above Bane or Dooku, and especially Sidious. He is a match when comparing Saber abilities, but NOT Force skills.

Also, welcome to the Forums! 😱 They can be both frustrating and a time vacuum, so have fun!

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Just read the opening post and I'm looking forward to the rest. Are you in that debate?

Don't worry, it's funny. Almost as funny as "MARKA RAGNOS OWNZ THE ENTIRE JEDI ORDER AT ONCE!!!11!!".

And no, I ain't. Sadly. It woulda been amusing, though.

ok you got me with kun. i still think bane is more powerful than revan. prove me wrong if you must, i think manipulating the sith academy enough to where the thought bomb wiped out both jedi and sith (including hoth, even though he saved the day sort of and is awesome) is pretty incredible. coming up with the rule of two doesnt really give a measure of his power but he is the one who made it basically the way the sith work up until krayt. even though plagueis doesnt have much info on him, doesnt creating life mean that he is the most powerful.

oh and saying sideous is stupid wasnt a measure of his intelligence. he was smart as hell. sidious is just plain stupid. he might have "calmed the dark side" or whatever, but he took over a democracy using subtle political skills. wtf do subtle political skills have to do with being a powerful sith. he was put into a position of power, but i dont think that is what we are talkin about. if we are then i am on the wrong thread. mace windu kicked his ass also. lol.

just read the revan holocron statement. forgot about that so take back the bane stuff. plagueius is my main man now.

Honestly, you should probably learn how to form a coherent sentence before posting if you really want to be taken seriously.

Oh, and the strongest Sith Lord ever is Sideous.

Originally posted by hammerofthor
oh and saying sideous is stupid wasnt a measure of his intelligence. he was smart as hell. sidious is just plain stupid. he might have "calmed the dark side" or whatever, but he took over a democracy using subtle political skills. wtf do subtle political skills have to do with being a powerful sith. he was put into a position of power, but i dont think that is what we are talkin about. if we are then i am on the wrong thread. mace windu kicked his ass also. lol.

That's not really fair. Mace Windu is black. And being black in SW is the equivolent of being Mandalorian.