Originally posted by Robtard
I don't have a problem with the movies being "flat and emotionless", I especially like AOTC. My complaints are mainly with them being too kid friendly in a lollipop and gumball sort of way. Same reason I like ROTJ the least out of the original 3 films, Ewoks and their silly cuteness killed it. C3PO is another problem for me, his "comic relief" gets annoying throughout the films.
The Empire Strikes Back is the best one.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They altered the "assimilating" nano-probes to be able to latch onto the alien blood cells and assimilate them. Why couldn't the Borg do that themselves? Is it REALLY that far of a stretch to think that the Borg could do something like that?
I remember now... they did it to even out the war.
Didn't they accomplish this because they had access to the Species blond? Wasn't some plausible reason given as to why the wonder doc did what the Borg couldn't?
Originally posted by Schecterwithout power they would have no shields or weapons.
without shields their hulls would be torn apart. werent you paying attention in wrath of khan and just about every other film?
Depends on what you use. there is the GL Star Wars Universe and the Star Wars EU Universe, which contains GL's Universe but adds too it, it's quasi canon. And GL himself said that the Dark Empire comics would be a perfect sequal to the movies if he ever decided to make them, so I dont know where you got the ill conceived part. Also, Lucas Arts has said that all of the games, such as KOTOR, are part of continuity and soon so will Star Wars: Force Unleashed (ya know.. the one where a single padawan brings down a Star Destroyer by himself. Yeah I rolled my eyes at that garbage too.).
Originally posted by Kahless
ok, they cant hurt the hulls because in star wars, they use lasersnow in startrek, spcifiaclly the episode "the outragous Ocana" the crew of the enterprise discuss how laser do not harm the hull of federation starships.
since starwars vessals use lasers.... they cannot hurt federation vessals w/o shields, let alone those with several layers of shielding
" DATA: Sensors report a minimum range combat craft of the Squadron Class, twenty-six crew.
WORF: Captain, they have locked lasers.
PICARD: Lasers?
RIKER: That won't even penetrate our navigational deflectors.
Literary method: they seem to be saying that their navigational deflectors are immune to lasers, probably because lasers are supposed to be less advanced than phasers. Some people feel that this means any Federation ship could shrug off any laser, even a monster laser that can blow up planets. Others feel that Riker was factoring the ship's small size into account, and that his statement was not meant to be so over-arching. However, it is impossible to conclusively resolve this argument one way or another unless we can get some kind of official statement from the author on the episode, and that's not forthcoming.
Suspension of Disbelief: it is scientifically impossible for any kind of shield to block infinite amounts of laser energy, because the second law of thermodynamics prohibits 100% efficiency devices and light carries momentum equal to U/c, so there are two mechanisms through which increased power levels would eventually overwhelm any blocking system. Therefore, Riker was either an idiot or he was taking the enemy ship's small size into account when he made his statement. Case closed.
It should be noted that Graham Kennedy (ditl.org) has concocted a bizarre rationalization for his infinite laser protection argument, where the ship simply becomes transparent to lasers and they pass right through. Needless to say, he cannot present actual evidence of lasers passing through the ship ... "
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't have a problem with the movies being "flat and emotionless", I especially like AOTC. My complaints are mainly with them being too kid friendly in a lollipop and gumball sort of way. Same reason I like ROTJ the least out of the original 3 films, Ewoks and their silly cuteness killed it. C3PO is another problem for me, his "comic relief" gets annoying throughout the films.
just don't confuse 3P0 from the prequel trilogy with the 3P0 from the original trilogy, because the two are very different.
I enjoy Retun of the Jedi. The Ewoks don't bother me as much as they do other's I suppose. The fact that they won with such ease bothers me, but not that they exist.
Originally posted by Devil King
just don't confuse 3P0 from the prequel trilogy with the 3P0 from the original trilogy, because the two are very different.I enjoy Retun of the Jedi. The Ewoks don't bother me as much as they do other's I suppose. The fact that they won with such ease bothers me, but not that they exist.
I agree... in eps. 4-6, he isn't nearly as annoying as he is in eps. 1-3. He's so stereotypically the complaining queen, it gets old quick.
They could barely move around on their own two legs... yet the they take on battle hardened Troopers armed with blasters and armoured vehicles? Pure crap and inexcusable.
It's like Lucas thought of Wookies and said to himself, "how can I make them disgustingly and irresistibly appealing to little children, so they annoy their parents into taking them to see my film, $$$."
Originally posted by Robtard
They could barely move around on their own two legs... yet the they take on battle hardened Troopers armed with blasters and armoured vehicles? Pure crap and inexcusable.It's like Lucas thought of Wookies and said to himself, "how can I make them disgustingly and irresistibly appealing to little children, so they annoy their parents into taking them to see my film, $$$."
I remember my Teacher in English extension explaining how the Ewoks were more symbolic of the power of the little guy being able to stand up to the might of oppression and tyranny - as in every person can make a difference.
Now personally to me the Ewoks seem more a marketing tool (like making Phantom Menance seem so much more suited for younger audiences) then an exploitative metaphor of inner strength.
What just got me in the scene wasn't the Ewoks, wasn't the Ewoks being able to take out Stormtroopers, it was just the Empires best legion showing all the skill of a bunch of children. I mean the numbers they had, when the Ewoks popped up, they should have just leveled the forest around them with blaster fire.
And Luke, han, Leia, Chewy, and Obi-Wan should have been decimated in [i]seconds/i] when they were on the Death Star in the first movie. But they weren't, why, because they're the heroes. There's no point really in wondering why the good guys in Star Wars always win these seemingly hopeless situations 😛
Originally posted by Shin_Blax
And Luke, han, Leia, Chewy, and Obi-Wan should have been decimated in [i]seconds/i] when they were on the Death Star in the first movie. But they weren't, why, because they're the heroes. There's no point really in wondering why the good guys in Star Wars always win these seemingly hopeless situations 😛
But they were meant to escape - the plan to track them to the rebel base and all.
And I know, but victories just seem lessened a bit when they are so... so... I don't know.
A bit like a Deus Ex Machina is an unsatisfying ending. Kind of "Oops, we've spruiked our bad guys so much they now seem totally unbeatable. What will we do? Ah, lets just have the good guys beat them anyway, because that's what good guys do."
Though don't get me wrong, I think RotJ would possibly be my favorite, though I like them all (except Phantom Menace, which didn't feel any more Star Wars to me then me dressing up as a Jedi and whacking people at the local shopping centre with a plastic lightsaber.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
If I were a force user, I would use the force for devious and perverted things....no womens dress would ever be down. I would give wedgies to uptight rich people ALL the time...this is why Star Wars is better than Star Trek....teh force main!!!!!
Like Patrick Stewart on Extras.
Originally posted by Shin_Blax
And GL himself said that the Dark Empire comics would be a perfect sequal to the movies if he ever decided to make them,
when did he say that? I've never even heard him talk about DE before.
Originally posted by Shin_Blax
it's quasi canon
There's no such thing. Something is either canon or it's not.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If I were a force user, I would use the force for devious and perverted things....no womens dress would ever be down. I would give wedgies to uptight rich people ALL the time...this is why Star Wars is better than Star Trek....teh force main!!!!!
there are many empathic and telepathic abilites in startrek which can mimic the force, and in some cases surpass it by far
Originally posted by Shin_Blax" DATA: Sensors report a minimum range combat craft of the Squadron Class, twenty-six crew.
WORF: Captain, they have locked lasers.
PICARD: Lasers?
RIKER: That won't even penetrate our navigational deflectors.Literary method: they seem to be saying that their navigational deflectors are immune to lasers, probably because lasers are supposed to be less advanced than phasers. Some people feel that this means any Federation ship could shrug off any laser, even a monster laser that can blow up planets. Others feel that Riker was factoring the ship's small size into account, and that his statement was not meant to be so over-arching. However, it is impossible to conclusively resolve this argument one way or another unless we can get some kind of official statement from the author on the episode, and that's not forthcoming.
Suspension of Disbelief: it is scientifically impossible for any kind of shield to block infinite amounts of laser energy, because the second law of thermodynamics prohibits 100% efficiency devices and light carries momentum equal to U/c, so there are two mechanisms through which increased power levels would eventually overwhelm any blocking system. Therefore, Riker was either an idiot or he was taking the enemy ship's small size into account when he made his statement. Case closed.
It should be noted that Graham Kennedy (ditl.org) has concocted a bizarre rationalization for his infinite laser protection argument, where the ship simply becomes transparent to lasers and they pass right through. Needless to say, he cannot present actual evidence of lasers passing through the ship ... "
Touché
Originally posted by Robtard
Examples? Because Diana Troy moaning like someone slipped-sneaked a finger up her ass during mid coitus, doesn't count.
Well, there was Kes, who was just as badass as a fully trained Jedi/Sith. (Actually, she probably could have pwned any Jedi or Sith when she came back from the future to wreak havoc on "Voyager".)