Originally posted by Creshosk
No, that you being so far up the FF that you can't see logically.
I'm not even saying they'll win, so let's nip that one in the bud. I'm trying to judge the fight with all its possible variables. You know, debates and stuff.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Claiming something is fact doesn't make it so.
That's true. It's also not what I said, so it's irrelevant.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So now obviously I'm the one misunderstanding again. I must have backed you into the same corner I had AC backed into, for you to try and attack me like that.I saw through AC's ploy, just as I now see through your ploy.
Or maybe you just tend to misunderstand and then refuse to reassess what you are talking about. Lest we forget the edited post a while back.
Originally posted by Creshosk
If everybody could resist psionic attacks then why don't they? Why are people knocked down instantly?..
Look up resistance, then come back.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Juggernaut's helmet shields him from psionics. Why swould it need to if what you said was true?
As above.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Juggernaut without the psionic sheilding from his helmet is taken out instantly by a psionic. Obviously there is no resistence there.
No obvious resistance. Doesn't change the many instances in which people have resisted mind control.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
From when you last tried?
Isn't the case though is it? It's a possibility. Why are people acting as if this possibility is an inevitable fact?
Because it's Emma's only power. Ain't like she has lots of options on how to fight the FF, here. So I'm thinking there are good odds on a mind blast coming their way. And given that they have 0 resistence, I'm thinking a mindblast is going to do some serious damage.
Too many variables to act as if there is only one outcome, which is the only point I am making.
True. Emma may decide to turn diamond first and slug it out with Thing.
But I doubt that.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomBecause I don't agree with you I'm misunderstanding you?
Or maybe you just tend to misunderstand and then refuse to reassess what you are talking about. Lest we forget the edited post a while back.
Or is the problem I'm understanding what you're saying even if that's not directly what you are saying?
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomGo read more X-men comics, and then come back.
Look up resistance, then come back.
I know what reistance is.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomMind control is not the same thing as mind blast. as Demigawd pointed out.
No obvious resistance. Doesn't change the many instances in which people have resisted mind control.
Originally posted by demigawdBecause it's Emma's only power. Ain't like she has lots of options on how to fight the FF, here. So I'm thinking there are good odds on a mind blast coming their way. And given that they have 0 resistence, I'm thinking a mindblast is going to do some serious damage.
True. Emma may decide to turn diamond first and slug it out with Thing.
But I doubt that.
There are 'good odds'. I'm not even saying there aren't- can we stop the cycle of misunderstanding here?
I'm not saying this wouldn't happen- just that it's not guaranteed. You know, imagination and all that.
Originally posted by Zahit
every comic book has plot devices.
what's so hard to understand?
Sue has more experience in combat.
Sue has more physical training.
Why would it be impossible for her to get the drop on Emma?
Because Emma was talking instead of acting, thus giving Sue more time, obviously Emma is slower. . . Because there was action taken specifically to give Sue more time. . .
Sue with time is faster than Emma.
See the problem?
Originally posted by CreshoskWhy leave out the rest or not comment on it because you can't argue against it. All you say is that Emma mind rapes everyone before they have a shot when Sue has already beat her by herself. There are just as many scenarios where Sue beats Emma as Emma beating Sue. Infact the only way is for emma to get the drop on Sue first.
Bingo.Emma talked instead of acting.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
There are 'good odds'. I'm not even saying there aren't- can we stop the cycle of misunderstanding here?I'm not saying this wouldn't happen- just that it's not guaranteed. You know, imagination and all that.
Imagination is fine, but you don't see me saying "everyone has resistance to Sue's powers", do you?
No, you don't.
You don't see you saying "Everyone has resistance to Emma's powers" do you?
Oh wait.
"telepathy is always resisted."
Yeah, you do.
Originally posted by newjak86Because the rest of it would have been "see above"
Why leave out the rest or not comment on it because you can't argue against it.
Originally posted by newjak86Not without circumstances she hasn't.
All you say is that Emma mind rapes everyone before they have a shot when Sue has already beat her by herself.[/]b]
Originally posted by newjak86I'm still not convinced that Sue is faster, since it was Sue with extra time versus Emma.
[B]There are just as many scenarios where Sue beats Emma as Emma beating Sue.
Originally posted by newjak86See above.
Infact the only way is for emma to get the drop on Sue first.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Because I don't agree with you I'm misunderstanding you?
No, because you're actually ignoring me, due to ignorance and/or stupidity.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Or is the problem I'm understanding what you're saying even if that's not directly what you are saying?
Oh. Got it now. You KNOW what I'm saying, even when I'm not ACTUALLY SAYING IT! Genius!
Originally posted by Creshosk
Go read more X-men comics, and then come back.
Be a bit of a wait wouldn't it? I do read X-Men all the time.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I know what reistance is.
What is reistance?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Mind control is not the same thing as mind blast. as Demigawd pointed out.
It sure isn't! Now back to the actual fight.
Originally posted by CreshoskYou don't see you saying "Everyone has resistance to Emma's powers" do you?
Oh wait.
"telepathy is always resisted."
Yeah, you do.
Yes, and people are always resisting telepathy, successfully or not. Stop bringing it up, it all centres around your misunderstanding of 'resistance'.
Originally posted by CreshoskWho is to say Sue is slower than Emma in their powers. Telepathy works fast but they have to concentrate still meaning that there is always a time frame where telepathy isn't simply as fast as thought. Sue can be just as fast as Emma in activating her power. Now in a straight up fight between their powers who overcame who. Don't give me Sue had time tell me who when they powers locked came out on top.
Because the rest of it would have been "see above"Not without circumstances she hasn't.
I'm still not convinced that Sue is faster, since it was Sue with extra time versus Emma.
See above.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
There are 'good odds'. I'm not even saying there aren't- can we stop the cycle of misunderstanding here?
ok then, we agree. The X-team has good odds of mindblasting FF out of the fight. Therefore they're the odds on favorites to win, aren't they?
I'm not saying this wouldn't happen- just that it's not guaranteed. You know, imagination and all that.
Again we agree! There are infinite possibilities as to what can happen. Like I said, Emma might decide to turn to diamond and duke it out with Thing. Johnny might just decide to fly around and play field general. Galactus might just show up and kill them all.
Imagination is fine, and you can stalemate a debate forever with enough imagination, but ultimately, it's about where the greatest odds lie.
And the greatest odds lie with all four members of the FF unconscious from one hell of a mindblast.
Originally posted by newjak86
Why leave out the rest or not comment on it because you can't argue against it. All you say is that Emma mind rapes everyone before they have a shot when Sue has already beat her by herself. There are just as many scenarios where Sue beats Emma as Emma beating Sue. Infact the only way is for emma to get the drop on Sue first.
It was about as much an indicator of how combat between them would go as a Wolverine fanboy saying Wolverine could beat Magneto because he gutted him while Magneto was doing something else. Emma threatened Sue. Sue knocked out Emma. It's what we call a suckerpunch around these parts.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomNow because I don't agree with you I'm ignorant or stupid?
No, because you're actually ignoring me, due to ignorance and/or stupidity.
Nice improvement.
Originally posted by newjak86Because you can say more than you're letting on you knw. You don't HAVE to be blunt and say something straight up.
Oh. Got it now. You KNOW what I'm saying, even when I'm not ACTUALLY SAYING IT! Genius!
I know what you're saying because I can read between the lines.
Originally posted by newjak86Then why are you ignoring what happens with juggernaut for example?
Be a bit of a wait wouldn't it? I do read X-Men all the time.
Originally posted by newjak86The action or being of opposing something. Like Juggernauts helmet opposes Psionic attacks perfectly, thus becomeing immunity, but his exposed mind has no resistance, which is why he's taken down instantly after his helmet is removed when a telepath attacks him.
What is reistance?
Originally posted by newjak86So why would she be trying to contro when whes trying to put them down?
It sure isn't! Now back to the actual fight.