Originally posted by demigawdYet who won is the point and why can she not do it again. Emma's powers aren't instant and know can offer any real facts as to why she would get off an attack before Sue could.
It was about as much an indicator of how combat between them would go as a Wolverine fanboy saying Wolverine could beat Magneto because he gutted him while Magneto was doing something else. Emma threatened Sue. Sue knocked out Emma. It's what we call a suckerpunch around these parts.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomNo, they aren't. You can't oppose something that you have no way of opposing.
Yes, and people are always resisting telepathy, successfully or not. Stop bringing it up, it all centres around your misunderstanding of 'resistance'.
I understand what resistance is. And once again we are bacvk to because I disagree with you I just don't underastand.
Originally posted by CreshoskCresh man I think you got mixed up who you are qouting I never said those things.
Now because I don't agree with you I'm ignorant or stupid?Nice improvement.
Because you can say more than you're letting on you knw. You don't HAVE to be blunt and say something straight up.
I know what you're saying because I can read between the lines.
Then why are you ignoring what happens with juggernaut for example?
The action or being of opposing something. Like Juggernauts helmet opposes Psionic attacks perfectly, thus becomeing immunity, but his exposed mind has no resistance, which is why he's taken down instantly after his helmet is removed when a telepath attacks him.
So why would she be trying to contro when whes trying to put them down?
Originally posted by newjak86So Wolverine can gut magneto because he did it before.
Yet who won is the point and why can she not do it again. Emma's powers aren't instant and know can offer any real facts as to why she would get off an attack before Sue could.
Hey who won is the point. How is not applicable.
Lets ignore the plot devices that allow characters to do things they normally couldn't.
Wolverine beats the hulk 10/10 because hey, he did it before. How he did it issn't important.
Originally posted by demigawd
ok then, we agree. The X-team has good odds of mindblasting FF out of the fight. Therefore they're the odds on favorites to win, aren't they?
I don't know, it hasn't happened. I'm trying to think through various possibilities and outcomes, while others seem to be hellbent on insisting this fight is more one-sided than a mobius strip.
Originally posted by demigawd
Again we agree! There are infinite possibilities as to what can happen. Like I said, Emma might decide to turn to diamond and duke it out with Thing. Johnny might just decide to fly around and play field general. Galactus might just show up and kill them all.
Stop acting as if I'm suggesting because Emma won't definitely instantly immobilize everyone, that means I think it's just as likely that a comet will fall on the X-Men.
Originally posted by demigawd
Imagination is fine, and you can stalemate a debate forever with enough imagination, but ultimately, it's about where the greatest odds lie.
Or you can consider the possibilities, for fun. Otherwise, let's just write 'Emma Frost, mindwipe! Next thread!'
Originally posted by demigawd
And the greatest odds lie with all four members of the FF unconscious from one hell of a mindblast.
I have trouble seeing Emma definitely doing that before anything else, that's all. To me, it's not the most likely outcome, it's one of many.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, they aren't. You can't oppose something that you have no way of opposing.I understand what resistance is. And once again we are bacvk to because I disagree with you I just don't underastand.
No. No, let's stop. Fact- many people have shown resistance to telepathic attacks in comics.
Yes?
Let's move on.
(or you could keep deciding what I'm saying, to fit your replies)
Originally posted by CreshoskUm when the plot device is she was talking doesn't help. Being Telepathic you think she would have seen the attack coming and with her intanst mindraping abilities stop it.
So Wolverine can gut magneto because he did it before.Hey who won is the point. How is not applicable.
Lets ignore the plot devices that allow characters to do things they normally couldn't.
Wolverine beats the hulk 10/10 because hey, he did it before. How he did it issn't important.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomWell as soon as you find a way for Wolverine to beat magneto using creative means, or the hulk, let me know.
I don't know, it hasn't happened. I'm trying to think through various possibilities and outcomes, while others seem to be hellbent on insisting this fight is more one-sided than a mobius strip.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomHow do you know she won't?
Stop acting as if I'm suggesting because Emma won't definitely instantly immobilize everyone, that means I think it's just as likely that a comet will fall on the X-Men.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomThat's usually the way it is when there is a telepath put up against people with no reisistance to it.
Or you can consider the possibilities, for fun. Otherwise, let's just write 'Emma Frost, mindwipe! Next thread!'
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomMind control is not the same thing as mind blasts.
No. No, let's stop. Fact- many people have shown resistance to telepathic attacks in comics.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomAgain, because I don't agree with you I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, or am I ignorant/stupid this time?
(or you could keep deciding what I'm saying, to fit your replies)
Originally posted by newjak86
Um when the plot device is she was talking doesn't help. Being Telepathic you think she would have seen the attack coming and with her intanst mindraping abilities stop it.
Plot Devices can be ludacris obviously without someone distracting him Wolverine could never gut Magneto but in a team battle it could happen.
Why didn't she attack instead of talking? Hmm? Because Sue was supposed to win.
Simple solution, make the telepath too busy talking to do anything.
Originally posted by CreshoskStill she won by putting Emma down could she not do it again. Isn't Emma's only real chance if she gets the attack off first. Who is to say that is what happens first why doesn't Sue get off the first attack.
Why didn't she attack instead of talking? Hmm? Because Sue was supposed to win.Simple solution, make the telepath too busy talking to do anything.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well as soon as you find a way for Wolverine to beat magneto using creative means, or the hulk, let me know.
Or we could talk about the actual current fight? Yeah, me too.
Originally posted by Creshosk
How do you know she won't?.
I don't. How do you know she will? It's not factual is it? If you take your fingers out of your ears you might hear the penny drop.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's usually the way it is when there is a telepath put up against people with no reisistance to it.
Let's move on. You're deliberately misunderstanding that and it's irritating trying to make you understand.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yet who won is the point and why can she not do it again. Emma's powers aren't instant and know can offer any real facts as to why she would get off an attack before Sue could.
You can't use Sue putting down Emma as evidence any more than you can use anybody nailing anybody else when they're not actually fighting as evidence. It's combat if Emma is mind-attacking Sue, and Sue says, "My field can hold up long enough to take Emma down!", then proceed to do so. Emma saying, "I'm going to do this and this and that and that" and *not actually doing it* isn't an example of Emma fighting.
As for who is faster? Actually, in a quick draw scenario, Emma would be faster. Emma's blast takes two steps: 1)identify target 2)blast. Sue's attack consists of three or four: 1)identify target 2)choose attack (suffocate? blunt force? containment?) 3)form object (bubble around head? sharp protrusion? invisible bat?) 4) use object, if it's not something that is effective at formation, like a bubble around the head. Sue can do all of that in a second, yes, but that's half a second more than it would take Emma to do half the steps.
And we're leaving something out - not all of sue's attacks end the fight in an instant. If she puts a bubble around Emma's head, Emma still has the process of actually using up the air first, for example. That still gives Emma plenty of time to attack anyway.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Mind control is not the same thing as mind blasts.
Well let's move on then, yeah? I know it isn't the same, why do you keep saying it?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Again, because I don't agree with you I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, or am I ignorant/stupid this time?
No. I'm not saying you don't agree.
I'm telling you, what you are saying, is not what I'm saying. Oh yeah, you 'read between the lines'. Try reading the lines.
Genuinely troubling that you are so defensive. Open your eyes a bit wider.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomBecause you don't understand an example given?
Or we could talk about the actual current fight? Yeah, me too.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomYou have no room to say this. Since this is something you're guilty of as well.
I don't. How do you know she will? It's not factual is it? If you take your fingers out of your ears you might hear the penny drop.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomYou mean trying to make me agree.
Let's move on. You're deliberately misunderstanding that and it's irritating trying to make you understand.
Because I don't agree with you, I'm intentionally misunderstanding you?
"GRR! If only I could see it your way and agree then I'd understand!"
Well then, OBVIOUSLY since you don't agree with me, you must be intentionally misunderstanding my posts.
Originally posted by demigawdYeah let's see Sue has knocked out Emma before right she can do it again.
You can't use Sue putting down Emma as evidence any more than you can use anybody nailing anybody else when they're not actually fighting as evidence. It's combat if Emma is mind-attacking Sue, and Sue says, "My field can hold up long enough to take Emma down!", then proceed to do so. Emma saying, "I'm going to do this and this and that and that" and *not actually doing it* isn't an example of Emma fighting.As for who is faster? Actually, in a quick draw scenario, Emma would be faster. Emma's blast takes two steps: 1)identify target 2)blast. Sue's attack consists of three or four: 1)identify target 2)choose attack (suffocate? blunt force? containment?) 3)form object (bubble around head? sharp protrusion? invisible bat?) 4) use object, if it's not something that is effective at formation, like a bubble around the head
And we're leaving something out - not all of sue's attacks end the fight in an instant. If she puts a bubble around Emma's head, Emma still has the process of actually using up the air first, for example. That still gives Emma plenty of time to attack anyway.
Originally posted by demigawdAs for who is faster? Actually, in a quick draw scenario, Emma would be faster. Emma's blast takes two steps: 1)identify target 2)blast. Sue's attack consists of three or four: 1)identify target 2)choose attack (suffocate? blunt force? containment?) 3)form object (bubble around head? sharp protrusion? invisible bat?) 4) use object, if it's not something that is effective at formation, like a bubble around the head. Sue can do all of that in a second, yes, but that's half a second more than it would take Emma to do half the steps.
Come on, let's not do that.
Do each of the steps all take the same amount of time? For Emma and Sue? I appreciate that you are trying to glean some sort of certainty out of what could happen, but come on.
Even if those two courses of action were the pre-determined battleplans, there's still no guarantee it'll happen like that.
The map is not the territory.