Originally posted by Wynndar
I could say the same thing about emma
You could.
But then you'd be wrong.
Emma doesn't decide location and specifics of action. She just thinks "Sue. Mindblast". Sue is the one who has to go through all the "bubble around head. airtight. squeeze" steps. Emma just goes BLAST and that's that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Really now? For numerous pages (including in this thread) X4 is used as an example of Emma being slower than Sue (when looking at it objectively it shows no such thing) and now suddenly it's not relevant since it shows Emma in a more favourable light.
I never said it wasn't relevant. Favourable? Yes sure.
Coming out of nowhere while they're all distracted by someone else is obviously the way of a true champion. Doesn't remove from the fact that the scoreboard tells a different tale does it?
-AC
Originally posted by Wynndar
no ur not being objective at all. Sue could have done the same thing. Could have done more than just put up a field to stop the Thing. But when it came down to emma vs IW what happened?
Nothing, because there was no IW vs. Emma. There was only IW attacking Emma.
And Sue couldn't have done the same thing for reasons you yourself just explained. Sue DECIDES the attack, she SELECTS the details about where the field goes, how big it is, what it's supposed to do (movements, vibrations, etc.). Those things take time to decide. That time can be measured in miliseconds, yes, but it only takes miliseconds to put Sue down, and that's why we're being so specific in a quickdraw. Quickdraws are measured in miliseconds.
Emma vs IW has never occurred. In the picture that I posted Emma was not even trying to hurt anyone - all she was doing was getting their attention. Sue managed to attack someone who was supposed to be her ally, when Emma was trying to convince her that people needed to die. It's colloquially called a sucker punch.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[b]Emma vs IW has never occurred. In the picture that I posted Emma was not even trying to hurt anyone - all she was doing was getting their attention. Sue managed to attack someone who was supposed to be her ally, when Emma was trying to convince her that people needed to die. It's colloquially called a sucker punch. [/B]
Which makes it a.....
sucker punch
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She resisted it because it's in her power to resist it. Why do so many people pussy out and call it a plot device?
Not answering my question, I said where is there proof as to why its there now, is it there now, if it is why has she suffered a "headache".
I don't care about the stipulations then, its right here right now....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're counting steps pointlessly then. Coz even Emma has to go through steps in that case.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
True, but I don't understand this constant assumption that Emma can operate in the fractions of seconds Sue does.
Speed of thought, say it with me, all of them go at the same speed, just one has less steps, if you heard that, it wasn't from me.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSpeed of thought, its the exact same thing, I don't understand what I've been saying that has misguided thou.
I'd like to see the scientific proof that you're comparing Sue's powers to. Just curious as to how you measured her speed.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not for me. I touch type.
which requires thought, but its VERY easy correct?
Like emma and sue, but one is just a step easier.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes. Not a hard task unless you're handicapped is it?
It takes a step, and time, milliseconds, milliseconds that are in this match.
Yes or no?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've gone off on so many tangents, I don't even know what you're referring to any more. What does it matter? LEVEL of attack? I swear you're just randomly hitting your keyboard with a hammer and seeing what comes out.
I sure am, my point was where was this attack going, how intense,etc.
All of these are things sue thinks of, she's not cyclops with no visor.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriAim nonetheless.
Sue isn't going to specifically aim is she? It's not like holding a gun and having to aim it. It's a very general aim that doesn't need to be pinpointed as much.
Which takes thought, which takes time, milliseconds, milliseconds used in this match.
Yes or no?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah I see. That's only if you're clutching at straws though. Oh wait...
Which also takes time...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yeah. That whole millisecond....whatever dude. You're being so unbelievably irrational. You've specified this battle so much that it's come down to milliseconds.
Am I being unfair, should I leave?
Thats ben of the doubt, quickdraws didn't last seconds and they were with guns, telepathy/ fields, should be quicker.
Thats just the way it is.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Trading vices then. You still have the same amount of steps. Just a different step to mine. You're basing your WHOLE arguement around this pointless steps bullshit that I don't have ANY clue where you retrieved it from.
You now believe this is a tie instead? Please tell me why then, so we can make progress.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As is Sue, glad we could clear that up for the millionth time.
Why do we always agree but disagree?
I said number of steps, not priority of thought.
What does emma have to conjure?
Conjuration of the field is immediate, but is the thought immediate.
No, unless its a reflex, no need to rehash.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because you're adding it by assuming what she's gonna do and clinging to the fact that Emma will beat Susan Storm-Richards in milliseconds. Bit fake isn't it? Let's be honest.
one would beat the other in milliseconds, I don't see what I've said wrong.
Are you asking me if its fake, what do you want me to tell you?
Have you EVER seen a quickdraw?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes? So? Point being?Also, the lack of originality here is appalling. Just thought I'd say that.
Xmarks, no offence, but that would be like me posting an F4 comic where the X-Men got whooped. Though realistic, you'd surely claim bias.
That telepaths can be sneaked upon, which doesn't matter here, JUST like the x4 scene.
Goodnight Ac
A few things to note:
1. Emma and Sue are only about a foot apart.
2. Emma and Sue are meant to be allies
3. Thus Emma is hesitant to do anything to Sue but is mid-sentence explaining to Sue that she will if Sue does not calm herself.
4. Sue's forcefield projects from Sue at a certain velocity and acceleration to strike Emma sending her flying backwards. It is by no means an instantaneous attack.
5. Emma Frost is not Spider-Man or Destiny she does not have precognition refer to 2.
6. Emma Frost does not read everyone's mind all the time - if she did it would drive her insane, also refer to 2.
7. Emma Frost can use telepathy in diamond form - if she was in diamond form that blast would have done nothing to her.
In telepathy thoughts and actions are one and the same - cause is effect. Sue may control her power mentally but the effect is still physical - Storm can call lightning down from the sky with a thought but it still takes time for the lightning to travel.
An invisible battering ram is only one option of Sue's. If sue simply wants to make a field inside emma's head then the process is practically the same as emma's TP attack. Like I explained earlier, she doesn't have to actively think of where the bubble is located. Just as she made the Earth invisible or Terrax's city sized field visible...she isn't spatially orientating the position of her fields just like a telepath.
And in the scan, It makes more sense that that field already existed. In a combat environment she keeps a field around her skin just as a precaution. This has even been demonstrated when she is in a safe environment like home. This example could simply be her expanding that already existent field.
Glad you posted that first scan, X. It shows that not only is Sue NOT immune to TP, but she's also vulnerable to it through a shield.
It's been stated that TPs spend most of their time blocking thoughts, not reading them. Whatever Sue was thinking, Emma had no reason at that point to be reading her mind. I can't recall any instance where she has violated the mind of an ally.
I think that Emma would come out on top, because whatever Sue decides to do to Emma will involve an object of some sort. It has to be made. Regardless of a bubble closing or expanding or a column to the chest, it must be created before it can do any damage. There must be the decision to make an object, then a decision to use it. Emma has no issue.
As with the "invisible battering ram" Sue's powers may be invisible to the characters but to the reader they aren't. That field was created and projected. Telepaths don't need to be spatially oriented their realm is mental not physical. Sue's power is physical - to do anything she has to decide trajectories, locations etc. She has to decide what to create, where to create it, create it, decide what to do with it once created and do so i.e. slower than telepathy.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Not answering my question, I said where is there proof as to why its there now, is it there now, if it is why has she suffered a "headache".I don't care about the stipulations then, its right here right now....
She has the ability, true? Yes. Will it work here or not, I have no idea. If it doesn't she's at a disadvantage.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Speed of thought, say it with me, all of them go at the same speed, just one has less steps, if you heard that, it wasn't from me.Speed of thought, its the exact same thing, I don't understand what I've been saying that has misguided thou.
I see what you're saying now, and it proves my point. YOU are saying that Emma just thinks and it happens, whilst Sue thinks...then makes the bubble....then it happens? Right. I see what you mean. And if that were the case, Sue would be screwed.
However, THAT is Sue's power. As soon as she thinks it, it happens. Just like when, say, Jean wants to lift a book. She wills it in the air. Sue wills a bubble around. It's the same.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
which requires thought, but its VERY easy correct?
No. I don't give any thought to my keyboard. I've been on the phone and typing IMs at the same time before. I don't sit here and pay attention to it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Like emma and sue, but one is just a step easier.
I've said my piece above on the steps thing.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
OF course not, did I say "sue would have difficulty doing so"It takes a step, and time, milliseconds, milliseconds that are in this match.
Yes or no?
See my steps part. Because I'd only be saying the same thing here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
ben of the doubt, quickdraws didn't last seconds and they were with guns, telepathy/ fields, should be quicker.
Exactly. You're whole arguement is founded around Sue having an extra step. That's it. You're not accepting that she does things as fast as Emma.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You now believe this is a tie instead? Please tell me why then, so we can make progress.
I don't believe it's a tie. I believe it's a case of whoever gets the first hit. I'm not saying Emma won't win. I'm just not saying Sue will lose. Because I for one, don't believe what you all seem to agree to. With good reason, regardless of if you disagree or not.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
telepaths can be sneaked upon, which doesn't matter here, JUST like the x4 scene.Goodnight Ac
Exactly, who suggested sneaking up?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1. Emma and Sue are only about a foot apart.
2. Emma and Sue are meant to be allies
3. Thus Emma is hesitant to do anything to Sue but is mid-sentence explaining to Sue that she will if Sue does not calm herself.
4. Sue's forcefield projects from Sue at a certain velocity and acceleration to strike Emma sending her flying backwards. It is by no means an instantaneous attack.
5. Emma Frost is not Spider-Man or Destiny she does not have precognition refer to 2.
6. Emma Frost does not read everyone's mind all the time - if she did it would drive her insane, also refer to 2.
7. Emma Frost can use telepathy in diamond form - if she was in diamond form that blast would have done nothing to her.
1. Point? That's the specifications of the thread also. That they're face to face.
2. Not Sue's problem. Since when did Emma become a pillar of morals? She's backstabbed her share of people.
3. Exactly. Emma is saying she'll use force if Sue doesn't calm down. We saw what Sue thought of that, didn't we?
4. Right. What was the result of it?
5. She's a telepath. Sue had to turn around and strike. If what all of you say is true, it takes time blah blah blah. Emma should have had that more than scouted.
6. That's very speculatory.
7. If is a lovely word.
Demigawd, I believe you asked where she used force. She's not using a bubble and I do believe Emma is being knocked base over apex.
-AC
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It can't though wy, just hear me out.It has velocity correct?
What does velocity equate to?
speed x direction.
what does speed equate to?distance x time, they come out fast, but not at an instant, so that makes it even worse, than before.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Glad you posted that first scan, X. It shows that not only is Sue NOT immune to TP, but she's also vulnerable to it through a shield.It's been stated that TPs spend most of their time blocking thoughts, not reading them. Whatever Sue was thinking, Emma had no reason at that point to be reading her mind. I can't recall any instance where she has violated the mind of an ally.
I think that Emma would come out on top, because whatever Sue decides to do to Emma will involve an object of some sort. It has to be made. Regardless of a bubble closing or expanding or a column to the chest, it must be created before it can do any damage. There must be the decision to make an object, then a decision to use it. Emma has no issue.
Her powers are not always objects. And her fields are not all the same or one dimensional. Hey force-field can serve different purposes, specifically resistant or unresistant to certain stimuli and spectrums. Her powers have more depth than you assume.