You can't make your argument until a judge comes around and gives the fortifications.
For Dagobah:
Along an area of deep jungle is situated a well-guarded bastion of stormtroopers. The surrounding land is bog and marsh for miles, littered with quicksand traps and slush for ground. The bastion itself is sitting atop the only truly solid bedrock for miles, and twenty foot walls guard the perimeter of the base. On each corner rests a mounted cannon, firing shots down at any attacker. Any attacker must maneuver their way past miles of marshland, avoid all the pitfalls, and watch an uphill battle through slush and gunfire.
So you're saying that your forces can traverse the swamps easily without hinderance from the natural beasts (At all) and without apparent difficulty with the dense woods, moist and humid climate, and the wet and squishy ground?
Assuming the default forces are in a makeshift bunker or fortification of sorts, expecting assault from one direction (Since troopers and a Sith lord or two sloshing slowly through the terrain is a bit easy to identify when you have homecourt advantage) will the troops sustain no losses in this scenario?
Hm. Well, you have to wait for us to evaluate the situation first. Let's see. . .
Your troops will arrive on one side of a marsh that is twenty metres across, and filled with wild creatures. You will recieve no technological support to assist you in crossing, but your troops, if creative, can use the environment.
On the other side, ten metres into thick brush, is a grove of large, heavily intertwined trees, forming a network of powerful, locking branches spanning about fifty hundred metres from one end to another. This is the canopy level, where the base has been established.
There are no heavy fortifications other than the natural defenses that the Dagobah woods provide. You are allowed to shoot through the wooden canopy, but at the risk of collapsing the entire foundation upon yourself through a fire sparked by your blaster bolts.
The enemy clones are scattered throughout this canopy, shooting through pockets and gaps in the natural woodwork. They are well-camouflaged with their surroundings, and are allowed to use the surrounding trees as cover and a fortfied position of higher ground.
Explain how your troops will defeat the guerilla troops of Dagobah.
Originally posted by Illustrious
You can't make your argument until a judge comes around and gives the fortifications.For Dagobah:
Along an area of deep jungle is situated a well-guarded bastion of stormtroopers. The surrounding land is bog and marsh for miles, littered with quicksand traps and slush for ground. The bastion itself is sitting atop the only truly solid bedrock for miles, and twenty foot walls guard the perimeter of the base. On each corner rests a mounted cannon, firing shots down at any attacker. Any attacker must maneuver their way past miles of marshland, avoid all the pitfalls, and watch an uphill battle through slush and gunfire.
You'll be answering this; don't get confused Darkstar. 😛
Alright. I'm warning you guys I'm no military expert, so sorry if I do a crappy job, I'll try to make this reasonable.
For my attack force, I'll send Yoda and 1500 Clones. Seeing as they start only 200 meters from snipers, they will begin moving up the hill as soon as possible if they have been able to survey the planet and defenses from orbit, if the rules don't give them that bonus, then they spend maybe a minute or so recieving orders from Yoda.
My reason for Yoda being able to discover the best way to attack their fortress so quickly is because it has been routinely demonstrated that Jedi are able to learn everything about a situation they are focusing on. Obi-wan was able to do this in ep3 during the fighter battle as was Mace I believe during his fight with Sidious. SInce this has happened twice in a relativly near period of time, I think it is safe to believe that it is possible.
Seeing as the clones are exactly the same; except for very minor genetic imperfections caused by the cloning process; it is unlikly that the Commenor Clones will be unit for unit more capable, not counting their terrain advantages.
I have heard that Yoda is able to use battle meditation. If he is capable of doing so, then he will obviously be a huge advantage to his forces.
Depending on how deep the wooden spines are positioned into the hill, Yoda may be able to simply rip enough of them up to allow the clones to move up the hill unmolested. If not, then he could consievably use force speed and remove the spines with his lightsaber.
I am unsure as to how fast the clones snipers can fire their guns. The physical limitation of the gun would most likly not allow it to fire more than once per second, even if the clones are able to take aim at my troops that fast because even guns made much later had problems with the barrel being thrown out of alingment by extended use of fully automatic.
Yoda can probably have enough of the spines gone within a minute for at least a dozen clones to move through the path at a time. The stone wall is two meters high. It will be easy for Yoda being as small as he is to hide on the downward facing side of the hill as he cuts a hold in the wall. During this time, the clones will be either trying to take cover behind the remain spines(ones not used by Yoda to cut the part, if the spines are wide enough to offer any cover) and in the shadow of the wall.
The clones for the most part will be safe behind the two meter high wall. During this time, Yoda will be cutting through it along with clones using their blasters to slowly destroy it or if I have any terchnician set up mines to blow it up.
Not all of the army is going to be able to hide in the shadow of the wall. The ones that can't hide will use boost from their squadron members to get over the wall and continue up to the fortress.
Not sure how thick the wall is, so I'm unsure how long it will take to breach. I doubt that it would take very long as their could be hundreds of clones leterally melting it will rapid fire, but then they would have to give up their cover during this time.
I doubt the wall would take more than two or three minutes to damage to the point where the clones can simply move over it, supporting their brethren who had already moved passed the wall(remember, they were given boost by comrades).
The E-web Yoda could use force speed and run up to the E-web while under a force cloak(invisible), or destroy it with a force push or some other technique.
I don't know anything about the fortress itself, so if you could give me some information on that, it would be appreciated.
ok thanks, I will start now then, here is my reasoning:
Using Marka's, Kreia's and Ulic's force abilities, my army could easily avoid the quicksand and other traps. Again using their force abilities (beast trick, we know for sure that Kreia know it and it is very likely that Ulic knew it, being trained at roughly the same time as Kreia and Marka ruled the ancient sith and researched the jedi and their powers, he would also know that ability) they could get the beasts in the jungle to not attack them.
When I am near the fort, yet still hidden by the jungle, I would split my army into three, Kreia leading 800 of Ulics Krath Elite troopers around to the back. Ulic leading the remaining 200 Krath Elite's and Kreia's 300 sith apprentices to the left side of the path up to the fort (assuming their is only one path up, like this '/' Ulic takes the left hand side of it), then Marka and all 750 of his Elite sith soldiers take the right hand side of the path.
At this point I get Kreia to do her 3 lightsaber ability, using three lightsabers, each with the ability of a jedi and with no large target to shoot at (and we all know how accurate stormtroopers are), she could easily destroy the mounted cannons surrounding the fort and likely 50 troopers. While this is going on, I get the beasts to attack, further distracting the troopers. When all the lightsabers are destroyed, I get the beasts to fall back, likely 60% destroyed, however some troopers would follow the beasts, however, they would have to come out the only enterance (I am assuming their is one enterance, if there is more than one, then it makes it easier for me, being that I have more points to attack so really this is making it harder on myself). When the come out of the enterance, I get Ulic's 800 Krath Eilte to shoot them down then charge up the ramp, Ulic and the sith apprentices in the lead. Since Ulic would be able to deflect all blaster bolts coming at him (Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon were able to destroy 50+ droids in TPM at the hanger without braking a sweat, so it is very likely that Obi-Wan could destroy 50 droids on his own, since he is still only a padawan and in a time of peace, Ulic, who is fully trained and in a time of war, would be able to deflect more, espically since the troops are suprised), him and his troops could reach the gates more unharmed. Also, each of the sith apprentices would be as strong as either Anakin in AotC or Obi-Wan in TPM, each of them could destroy 50+ droids on their own, espically considering that they were in constant combat. A simple force push and Ulic is in the fort, smashing down the gates. Once in the fort, Ulic takes 100 sith apprentices with him to destroy all the troopers hiding. The remaining 100 sith and 200 Krath Elite stay at the gate to kill any that try to flee, the sith deflecting all blaster bolts. In the meantime, Marka and his army and Kreia and her army have surrounded the fort, trapping them inside and preventing any from fleeing.
It would be done quickly, and very likely without any casulities on my part
Originally posted by Illustrious
You can't make your argument until a judge comes around and gives the fortifications.For Dagobah:
Along an area of deep jungle is situated a well-guarded bastion of stormtroopers. The surrounding land is bog and marsh for miles, littered with quicksand traps and slush for ground. The bastion itself is sitting atop the only truly solid bedrock for miles, and twenty foot walls guard the perimeter of the base. On each corner rests a mounted cannon, firing shots down at any attacker. Any attacker must maneuver their way past miles of marshland, avoid all the pitfalls, and watch an uphill battle through slush and gunfire.
oh sorry I was answering to this and since I had left my computer I did not know that their were so many new posts (I just left the screen up so no new posts showed)
I believe Haruun Kal is a mid rim world.
Anyways, Glentract a few things;
I'm not gonna argue your tactics at this point, but I will ask for proof that Yoda can do battle meditation, force speed, or force cloak. Remember, the burden of proof is on you. You can't assume that Yoda has these powers. So please, cite instances where Yoda has used it.
Second, www.stardestroyer.net. There is a section devoted to SW weaponry. It's OT era, but the premise is mostly the same. It may help with making decisions. For example, a storm trooper with an E-Web can basically hold off droves of intruders in a single doorway. It's a very efficient and effective defensive weapon.
Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
oh sorry I was answering to this and since I had left my computer I did not know that their were so many new posts (I just left the screen up so no new posts showed)
No, you did exactly as you were supposed to. The judges will come by and determine how your casualties panned out.