Oh, I must say that I have to agree with that Quinlan. I think Dooku would probably choose death over being beaten by a whiny ahole like Anakin. Besides, the pride, arrogance, charisma etc is what I love about the Count. I would be perfectly happy that Anakin bet him if it wasnt in such a short, easy manner. It makes Dooku seem weak and to me stuffs up the power levels of characters. It could have at least been longer and that stupid novel makes it sound like Anakin was pwning, which is ridiculous.
alas, it wasnt meant to make Dooku look weak at all (hence why he pwned OB1), but meant to show how POWERFUL Anakin was. You should be proud, GL when thinking, "how do I make Anakin powerful?" chose Dooku. Which means that the count was strong enough to be made an example out of. Its not showing him wea, but Anakin strong. 😎
but...anakin WAS pwning... 😉
Lol, obviously Hayden has the age advantage. But Mr Lee is an expert knife thrower and has probably been in more sword fights than any other actor alive. The only reason he didnt do his own fights in ROTS was because his legs couldnt keep up with him. He probably had the most sword fighting experience on set, apart from perhaps Nick Gillard. Now lets see Hayden compare with that.
Well, let's see. Lee has been acting in movies for decades. he was in a Bond film...he's one of the most respected English actors ever alive. I want to see if Hayden can even get another movie role in a single decade, as opposed to multiple ones.
And it wasn't a withdrawal. I'm not giving up. I'll wait for someone else to post another argument. I am as solid in my belief as ever that Dooku > Anakin as of ROTS.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, let's see. Lee has been acting in movies for decades. he was in a Bond film...he's one of the most respected English actors ever alive. I want to see if Hayden can even get another movie role in a single decade, as opposed to multiple ones.And it wasn't a withdrawal. I'm not giving up. I'll wait for someone else to post another argument. I am as solid in my belief as ever that Dooku > Anakin as of ROTS.
ok go look at his filmography, i bet he was in more garbage films than good ones. Shit you could say that apart from Bond, SW and LOTR were his biggest movies, in which he wasnt in that much and go pwned in both...oh yea, and those shitty ass Dracula movies...wasnt he in Gremlens 2? Might be wrong there...anyways, I dont know Hayden any more then the Fanboy duo(no offense Ox 🙂 ) knows Chris Lee. And while on the subject, Ewan has YEARS of sword training, and is considered a master swordsman in his own right. And you might as well give up, cause you've been PROVEN wrong everytime you come out with a rediculous claim, or weak ass biased opinion. try again tool.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, let's see. Lee has been acting in movies for decades. he was in a Bond film...he's one of the most respected English actors ever alive. I want to see if Hayden can even get another movie role in a single decade, as opposed to multiple ones.
Actually, Hayden has about five or so movies in production right now. Three of them are coming out one after another, and I'm pretty sure he's starring in most. As well, he's working with Samuel L. Jackson again.
What's so bad about Hayden Christensen? He's got a good look (which sells to girls like me over "good acting"😉, and - aside from his monotonous voice in the two Star Wars films - isn't that bad of an actor.
And it wasn't a withdrawal. I'm not giving up. I'll wait for someone else to post another argument. I am as solid in my belief as ever that Dooku > Anakin as of ROTS.
Why don't you refute my mega post then? I'm sorry to say, but I've posted more than enough evidence and logic than anyone else (save for Escape) on the subject. Anakin > Dooku. I notice you used the script to say that Dooku was "tired". This is insufficient evidence to say that Dooku was tired while fighting Anakin because:
1.) The ROTS novelization also conforms with the script to say that Dooku was tiring:
"Force exhaustion began to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form, trapping him within his own skull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led up to the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higher
ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious. "
And,
"Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade."
And,
"The Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half"
Keep in mind, though, that the second quote I provided wasn't talking about when he utterly tooled Kenobi and took him out. It was the first Force push he used on him prior to that (which is shown in the movies).
2.) However, after he tools Kenobi, he seemingly completely revitalizes himself before fighting Skywalker one on one:
"He pushed this aside, drawing once more upon the certain knowledge of his personal invincibility to open a channel to the Force. Power flowed into him, and the weight of his years dropped away."
Now, I'm going to tell you quite simply: this does not conflict with the script since it was written after he owned Kenobi. And we know the script doesn't even cover every detail. Even so, the novelization also conforms to fit the script. So, your point collapses, much like your whole "argument" (not that you even have one).
Aside from this point, as I already said, my mega post proves Anakin > Dooku. Quit being a fanboy when there has been more than enough evidence sitting right in front of your face. If there's a problem, I suggest you equip your spectacles. Where's your evidence that Dooku > Anakin? Why is it that your evidence is trumped by mine? Could it be...that I'm right?
Wait, don't answer that. I'll provide the answer: Yes.
As well, there's a misconception that Dooku wasn't fighting to his fullest. This is trumped by about three sources which I've already provided in my mega post (NEC, LOE, and ROTS novelization). So, you'sa wrong. And for reference, if anyone doesn't know my "mega post" I keep referring to was the argument that Darth Subjekt quoted from me in a different thread.
Refute it or shut it. Your "belief" is nothing but either fanboyism or a case of idiocy. I suspect the latter considering how much evidence was provided for Anakin, yet about zero logical evidence for Dooku.
Hayden did do a good Stephen Glass. His Anakin though... Who woulda thought he'd become Darth Vader?!
But after he's done filming the two films he's currently doing... He might move on.
http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2532212
He's thinking of becoming an architect.
Now, I'm going to tell you quite simply: this does not conflict with the script since it was written after he owned Kenobi. And we know the script doesn't even cover every detail. Even so, the novelization also conforms to fit the script. So, your point collapses, much like your whole "argument" (not that you even have one).
Don’t be a childish dick. For one, script > novelization. Second, read the novelization witha bit less bias. Notice certain things such as Dooku pinning Anakin against the wall with a table. Had he not been fighting Obi-Wan, he could have battered Anakinw ith more Force powers. On top of that, it mentions more than once how he bats both Kenobi and Anakin away but is then immediately attacked by the other. Your entire argument collapses because the fact is THAT IS WAS 2-ON-1. Get that through your head. A “fair fight” involves you going one-on-one with your opponent. Not 2-on-1.
I won’t provide the quotes but you only have to glance through the fight scene to note how he dispatches both of them only to be assailed upon by the other. The fact of the matter remains he took them on both and would have tooled them both if it was ONE-ON-ONE IN A FAIR FIGHT. But it wasn’t.
Aside from this point, as I already said, my mega post proves Anakin > Dooku. Quit being a fanboy when there has been more than enough evidence sitting right in front of your face. If there's a problem, I suggest you equip your spectacles. Where's your evidence that Dooku > Anakin? Why is it that your evidence is trumped by mine? Could it be...that I'm right?
No. It could be you’re blind. Any person with an IQ over perhaps 70 understands what the principles of a fair confrontation entail. They entail one person fighting another. Dooku fought TWO opponents. You can proivde all the quotes you want. Script says he was tired. Appearance in movie and Lucas say he did not know the plan was for him to die and that he would be killed. So, fighting MULTIPLE opponents and not expecting to die. Wow. Sounds like a totally fair contest to me.
Wait, don't answer that. I'll provide the answer: Yes.
As well, there's a misconception that Dooku wasn't fighting to his fullest. This is trumped by about three sources which I've already provided in my mega post (NEC, LOE, and ROTS novelization). So, you'sa wrong. And for reference, if anyone doesn't know my "mega post" I keep referring to was the argument that Darth Subjekt quoted from me in a different thread.
LoE states Palpatine would save him if he was in trouble. So, losing is not equivalent to death. Your point is moot. The novelization is lower level canon than the script. Multiple opponents is the reality. Dooku had Anakin downed at one point is the reality. He was prevented from finishing off Anakin by the factor of Obi-Wan is reality. What you claim is the lie that has been postulated and continually destroyed ever since ROTS. Dooku equals tiring out Yoda in a sword duel. Dooku equals great mastery of The Force but used no real power of it in the duel in ROTS (movie). Dooku, in novelization, had Anakin downed and beaten but was prevented from continuing the attack by Obi-Wan Kenobi. These are the facts you completely ignore in your vain attempt to deny the truth.
Refute it or shut it. Your "belief" is nothing but either fanboyism or a case of idiocy. I suspect the latter considering how much evidence was provided for Anakin, yet about zero logical evidence for Dooku.
Evidence...hm. LoE states he was to be saved by Palpatine. Script says he was tired from the fight with Kenobi & Anakin. Novelization states he beat down Anakin at several points but coul dnot go forth in the attack due to Obi-Wan. You do understand the basics of methmeatcs, don’t you? 2 vs. 1. The 1a deals with 1b but 1 c prevents 1a from further attacking 1b.
The fact remains these: Dooku, not fighting for his life (LoE). Dooku, facing multiple opponents (movie, novelization, script). Dooku, tired from fighting these two (script). Dooku, not intending to kill Anakin (LoE, novelization) because killing Kenobi to turn Anakin was the objective. I can’t see why this was radicaly altered in the movie. Dooku, having the advantage on both Anakin and Kenobi but unable to press the attack due to multiple opponents (novelization and movie).
“His own elegant Makashi did not generate the kinetic energy to meet Djen So head-to-head. Especially not when also defending against a second attacker.”
“[Dooku] gathered The Force once more in a single in-drawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe. The slightest whip-crack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backwards to crash hard against the wall. But Dooku didn’t have time to enjoy it. Skywalker was all over him.”
So, 2 examples of how it was an unfair contest from the start. If he did not have Kenobi to blast away, he could have dedicated that Force push at ANAKIN. But, as it was an unfair fight he had to battle two opponents.
I do apologize to Advent. I don't mean to use foul language but I do not like the idea that you declare those who disagree with you fanboys or idiots. It does not make them any more receptive to whatever argument you put forward. I will refraim from personal attacks, in future. I hope you can do the same.