Darth Vader versus Darth Tyranus

Finish me off once and for all? I don't think you can do so.
That paragraph is fact! He is slower, can't so much acrobatics, & can't defend from lightning. He would lose to Dooku in both saber & force fight. And when did Vader beat Maul? He didn't actually beat him. Perhaps he is able to kill countless wookies and jedis, but not Dooku. I don't see Luke, who beat Vader, can beat Dooku. As poll doesn't matter, so this is really an oppinion who is going to win. Everyone has his/her oppinion, so I won't accept that Vader would win. If you get annoyed, then that's your problem. You just simply thinks Vader is better & can't accpet other oppinions. You can just leave this post if you still feel annoyed.

Ok vader11, you wanted this to get ugly and now it will. I dont mind you giving out your opinion, you bumped a dead thread twice and all i see is you trying to build up a case to say dooku > vader

Originally posted by vader11
Finish me off once and for all? I don't think you can do so.

Originally posted by vader11

That paragraph is fact! He is slower, can't so much acrobatics, & can't defend from lightning.

Originally posted by vader11

He would lose to Dooku in both saber & force fight.

You see that? He did perform acrobatics, he is fast, but not as fast as his former self. And why is he slow in the movies? Was luke a threat to him? In TESB he was toying with luke and in ROTJ he was ordered NOT to kill luke but turn him to the dark side and theres also the fact that he underestimated lukes abilities, its the same with dooku and anakin, dookus underestimation of anakin also partly contributes to his defeat

Originally posted by vader11

And when did Vader beat Maul? He didn't actually beat him.

^See this? They fought

Ding vader > maul

Originally posted by vader11

Perhaps he is able to kill countless wookies and jedis, but not Dooku.

Originally posted by vader11

I don't see Luke, who beat Vader, can beat Dooku. As poll doesn't matter, so this is really an oppinion who is going to win. Everyone has his/her oppinion,

Originally posted by vader11

so I won't accept that Vader would win. If you get annoyed, then that's your problem. You just simply thinks Vader is better & can't accpet other oppinions. You can just leave this post if you still feel annoyed.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Now i will, for one you cant even debate

Really, you of all people have no room to talk.

theres also the fact that he underestimated lukes abilities

I'd love to see your proof for that, considering:

"Vader watched Luke. His boy was powerful, stronger than he'd imagined.

Vader was impressed with Luke's speed. Pleased, even." (Return of the Jedi, Ch. 7-8).

Where does it say that he 'underestimated Luke's abilities'? You should also realize that those quotes come from the very beginnings of the duel itself.

There's also the fact he couldn't contend with the flurry of strikes Luke was putting up, and by that point, there would be no reason for him to not try his best to defend (and indeed, he did). Of course, I'm not saying that Vader isn't more powerful, but it's an indication that his saber skills are severely lacking.

Actually he did

No, he pulled an Obi-Wan, that's no 'defeat', it's bullshit. Darth Maul had him on all fours, at his mercy, and was proving he's the better fighter throughout the entire duel (even before using dual blades, he sliced Vader's stomach, kicked his sorry mechanic ass with melee attacks, and it's obvious Maul was better):

He [Vader] didn't beat him outright, and he certainly didn't come close to it in the least bit.

Ding vader > maul

Vice versa rather, the '>' sign would mean that Darth Vader is greater than Darth Maul, when in actuality, Darth Maul was the better, and more skilled fighter.

The mere fact that Vader had to go to lengths to kill Darth Maul, and commit seppuku to win detracts from your point. If he was substantially greater than whatever version of Maul we see, then it can be assumed he wouldn't of had to put his own life in such danger. Since he did, he isn't. Indeed, the entire comic just shows Maul is the superior combatant in terms of dueling ability, while your post insinuates otherwise.

Of course, it's not even the real Darth Maul, anyways.

Yea ok i get your point that i have been wrong in my above post
But can we let this thread just die out? Im tired of it getting bumped

Originally posted by Advent
Really, you of all people have no room to talk.

What? I just bump into this thread once! Vader beat Maul? No! Vader is losing to Maul. He just use a surprise attack to kill Maul, if Vader didn't do that, he was dead! And Vader is seriously injured too. I doubt that Maul is as good as TPM Maul. Dooku would beat Maul in a duel. Vader is also worse than Anakin in saber. Vader would lose to Dooku in a close figth. BTW, this thread just stating Dooku vs Vader, it didn't say how they fight. If this is a force fight without saber, Dooku just use lightning & Vader is dead. You can't deny that. And you will never finsh me. Unless GL said Vader>Dooku or it is stated that in the official site. Otherwise. You would NEVER finish me. Oh, you are tired of it getting bumped & being annoyed? Just leave this post coz I won't change my mind. Ox and you agreed not to argue anymore? So what? That's none of my business. Also, there's no such a rule stated that we can't bump old threads. I don't think it is your business if someone do that. You can't stand it? Just leave it.

Vader versus Dooku. Vader probably after a long battle.

As the pictures and Advent stated, Maul is obivously much better than Vader in a duel. So there's no way Vader can beat Dooku in a saber duel. Dooku is obivously better than Maul in saber, and this has been argued.

Prove which Maul was more powerful. Prove your A>B>C theory. Prove that Dooku would beat Vader.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Prove that Dooku would beat Vader.

It goes without saying. 😛

Originally posted by Rampant ox
It goes without saying. 😛

Ox, have you forgotten about the thermal detonator balls?

Originally posted by vader11
Agree😆
It has been discussed already that Dooku>Maul.

Touche. 😱

Just see how Vader got beaten badly by Maul...

Prove that Maul's power level. Prove that Dooku could do the same thing to that Maul.

Oh man, plz search "Maul vs Dooku". I won't explain here.
Also, I just say Dooku would beat Maul, never say he could do the same thing to Maul.

Clearly you should learn to comprehend what you read. I said prove that Dooku could do the same thing (beat Maul) to that Maul (the Maul that Vader fought).

Or you should learn to express yourself more clearly😆
Why don't you proof that why Dooku can't beat Vader?

Originally posted by vader11
Just see how Vader got beaten badly by Maul...

Originally posted by Advent
Of course, it's not even the real Darth Maul, anyways.

Like I said, that's a different version of Darth Maul, which as far as been stated by Leland Chee might have been:

"It's not quite the real Darth Maul. Hence the "or something." Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. Or a clone. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing..." (Movie characters killed in EU blog, Jan. 20, 2006)

Now, considering this, for all we know, the Maul we saw could've been more skilled than the actual Darth Maul. That isn't to say that he couldn't be equally as strong, or even weaker, but since there's absolutely no indication given by either the comic's narration (or dialogue), or any official confirmation you cannot use in your argument.

read the thread. Once you learn how to properly speak/type English, then you can critique me. You don't have to be a genius to understand what I said, only have the education level of a fifth grader.