Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's not what we're discussing though is it? We're not discussing who can show off. We're discussing what genre has the better lyricists.To imply that hip hop has anyone remotely close to being able to challenge rock's best is hilarity of the highest order.
-AC
😆 Rock in general is mostly instrumental. Not much of the lyrics have depth. Hip Hop on the other hand is all about lyrics IMO
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Those songs are excellent. I'm a big fan of Common, Mos Def and Aesop Rock.Personally I find it outlandish to insist any MC could equal or better those.
-AC
Alot of MC's could do better. So far you named a couple of bands that write good lyrics. I can give you a page of rappers that can do equal or even better than the bands you stated
Common Sense - G.O.D
After bein' 25 you know just trying to survive in the world Bout
to have a little boy or baby girl. Who knows? Anyway just when you start
gettin that little age and experience to you You start thinkin about
stuff...tryin to make the right moves So bust it out this is what I was
thinkin check it Yo the education of the Lon chicka Lonnie Lynn
Began, began with time Bein my bloodline is one with the divine In
time brotha, you will discover the light Some say that God is Black and the
Devil's White Well, the Devil is wrong and God is what's right I fight,
with myself in the ring of doubt and fear The rain ain't gone, but I can
still see clear As a child, given religion with no answer to why Just
told believe in Jesus cuz for me he did die Curiosity killed the catechism
Understanding and wisdom became the rhythm that I played to And became a
slave to master self A rich man is one with knowledge, happiness and his
health My mind had dealt with the books of Zen, Tao the lessons Koran
and the Bible, to me they all vital And got truth within 'em, gotta read
them boys You just can't skim 'em, different branches of belief But one
root that stem 'em, but people of the venom try to trim 'em And use religion
as an emblem When it should be a natural way of life Who am I or they to
say to whom you pray ain't right That's who got you doin right and got you
this far Whether you say "in Jesus name" or Hum do Allah Long as you
know it's a bein' that's supreme to you You let that show towards others in
the things you do Cuz when the trumpets blowin, 24 elders surround the
throne Only 144,000 gon get home Only 144,000 gon get home Only
144,000 gon get it baby Chorus Cee-Lo: I've lived and I've learned
I have taken and I've earned I have laughed, I've cried I have
failed and I have tried Sunshine, pouring rain found joy through all my
pain I just wanna be happy with being me
This is truly ridiculous—it's a matter of opinion. You LIKE Maynard's style better than any rappers. That does not mean that he is "better," nor that what he does requires more skill than what the best rappers do. Maynard, as I said, can't fit words together with the degree of perfection that Gift of Gab can, nor can he tell a story with the vividness and emotion (yes, emotion) that Immortal Technique and Slug do.
There are those who would describe Maynard and Cornell's style as pretentious and overly cryptic. I disagree completely, but it's true that Maynard especially can be extremely cryptic. If you want to be able to think and re-think a song constantly, the best rock lyricists are better to you. If you just want to hear a story told in the form of a poem, the best rappers are better. That's not to say hip hop songs don't make you think, because many do, just not in the same way.
As I said on the last page... I don't see how you can possibly try to compare the two.
You claimed not much of the lyrics have depth and that what I've posted are just "good". That verse is nothing special at all. It's actually not anything remotely special. If you understood the lyrics I posted (which I'm sure you don't) then you'd see why you're wrong in painting rock with one brush.
"Rock is mostly instrumental and not too much of the lyrics have depth."
Hahaha, learn something.
-AC
Originally posted by Darth Revan
This is truly ridiculous—it's a matter of opinion. You LIKE Maynard's style better than any rappers. That does not mean that he is "better," nor that what he does requires more skill than what the best rappers do. Maynard, as I said, can't fit words together with the degree of perfection that Gift of Gab can, nor can he tell a story with the vividness and emotion (yes, emotion) that Immortal Technique and Slug do.
What's more likely? Maynard doing that or Slug writing something to parallel anything that Maynard has produced? I think we know the former.
Me liking his lyrics more isn't why I am claiming him to be better. Which is what you seem to imply.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
There are those who would describe Maynard and Cornell's style as pretentious and overly cryptic. I disagree completely, but it's true that Maynard especially can be extremely cryptic. If you want to be able to think and re-think a song constantly, the best rock lyricists are better to you. If you just want to hear a story told in the form of a poem, the best rappers are better. That's not to say hip hop songs don't make you think, because many do, just not in the same way.
Maynard isn't cryptic because he's trying to confuse people. The fact that (by his own admission) no one really gets his lyrics is because they're above most people's comprehension. Pretentious isn't Maynard's lyrics, pretentious is Cedric Bixler's lyrics. There is a difference. People label Tool as pretentious if they don't understand them. Like Inspectah is doing by labelling Maynard's lyrics as nothing special. If I don't "get" lyrics, I won't go and say they're nothing special.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
As I said on the last page... I don't see how you can possibly try to compare the two.
What you can't see isn't my problem. The fact that you can't see why I'm comparing the two is exactly why we're having this discussion.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not much of the lyrics in rock have depth?Please leave the thread, learn about music then return when you have some knowledge.
-AC
How can I do that if I made the thread?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You claimed not much of the lyrics have depth and that what I've posted are just "good". That verse is nothing special at all. It's actually not anything remotely special. If you understood the lyrics I posted (which I'm sure you don't) then you'd see why you're wrong in painting rock with one brush."Rock is mostly instrumental and not too much of the lyrics have depth."
Hahaha, learn something.
-AC
Still not the point. Please give me a list of bands that have more literature abilities than a MC
It is the point isn't it? You're claiming rock is mostly instrumental (how much rock are you even aware of?) and you're claiming that the lyrics don't have much depth. Which suggests that you just don't know many bands or that you do and don't have what it takes to perceive them. Why do you need a list? So you can be as ignorant as you just were and deny that they are geniuses purely because you don't get them?
If you don't understand or "get" the lyrics I've posted here, that's too bad. Don't assume they're just "good" or nothing special, that's a bit stupid.
If you don't recognise that the lyrics of Maynard James Keenan are intellectually superior then you probably don't understand what they mean. Why don't you go look at them and them come back and tell me in all seriousness why you think they're mediocre or "nothing special"? Seeing as you have the burden here.
You made the claim.
Originally posted by Otaku
Im not really somebody who knows rap,but from the most MC lyrics i heard,were about booty,be burnin' and Money on there mind 😬
They're not but I'm curious as to how Inspectah views your comment. Because he did the exact same thing with rock.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You should never judge a genre by what you hear on the radio.There's a lot of excellent hip hop out there.
-AC
I'll just take your word then.
What i do find bullcrap is that Inspectah says Rock lyrics dont have depth like rap lyrics do.Just like you said,it depends which band you listen too,just like it depends which MC you listen too.Did i just sort of contradict myself? 😕