Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Swanky -
Juggernaut's helmet and armour are mystical in nature if I recall correctly. And Mags helmet is specially designed to prevent telepathy - it's not a forcefield so it doesn't encapsulate.
She's going to free the others who have been mindblasted unconscious? And the point of that would be?
How is Emma going to see the battle, decide to active her powers, use her powers to control a FF member, then see the battle, then decide she would rather give them orgasms, activate her powers again, use her powers to give orgasms, see the battle, decide to know them out, then activate her powers once more, then use them to mindblast them all in the time it takes Sue's forcefield to set up because thinking doesn't count, only power activation.
She's mindblasted/taken control of students of Charles Xavier, trained to resist psionic attack, with ease. Tell me - who trained the FF to resist psionic attack?
Generic Xavier students are friggen extras. Pawns. Mooks.
Originally posted by LexCorpFirstly I contest the "constant shield on" as it's not an automated power, and they don't always have anti-telepathic devices in their suits unless your definition of "always" is "sometimes when necessary to the plot."
its not a matter of being quicker unless its a sneak attack on IW because with a constant shield on and anti-telepathic suit always on and she has a degree of telepathy to sense an on coming attack to ramp up her shields. Not just a snap of your finger knock out by a long shot. Take emma outta this and it is a FF victory, right now more a stalemate.
Originally posted by CreshoskYes. Yes we have. Bored of arguing in circles now so this is my last post in the thread.
X-men. .Haven't we gone over this subject of Telepathy vs FF enough before? They don't have sufficient shielding in non-prep.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaJuggernaut's helmet and armour are magical, I recall his helmet when on, is bonded to his armour by magical seal, and whence bonded he is invulnerable to psionic attack - the design of his armour and helmet is extraneous. Magneto's helmet doesn't physically block telepathy it's design prevents telepathy from affecting him. Sue makes forcefields - barriers - a barrier with a hole in it isn't doing jack.
I know they block telepathy and why. That's why I mentioned them. The point was they have big giant holes in them just like the forcefield.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaIt's a battle so why have you got Emma playing games. She's changing her mind as to what she wants to do several times - just so Sue can get a hit in? Fight starts she'd most probably use her most offensive power and that's a mindblast. It's irrelevant because if she's going to control them she'll control them all, if she's going to telepathicall make orgasm to unconsciousness she'll do it to all four, if she's going to mindblast she does it to all four.
How is Emma going to see the battle, decide to active her powers, use her powers to control a FF member, then see the battle, then decide she would rather give them orgasms, activate her powers again, use her powers to give orgasms, see the battle, decide to know them out, then activate her powers once more, then use them to mindblast them all in the time it takes Sue's forcefield to set up because thinking doesn't count, only power activation.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna😬 I meant students trained by Charles to resist psionic attack as in X-Men - Beast, Wolverine, Colossus etc. Now tell me, who trained the FF in techniques to resist psionic attack?
Generic Xavier students are friggen extras. Pawns. Mooks.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Juggernaut's helmet and armour are magical, I recall his helmet when on, is bonded to his armour by magical seal, and whence bonded he is invulnerable to psionic attack - the design of his armour and helmet is extraneous.
Magneto's helmet doesn't physically block telepathy it's design prevents telepathy from affecting him. Sue makes forcefields - barriers - a barrier with a hole in it isn't doing jack.
How is it any different? Hmm... in fact, isn't Magneto hard to read anyway on account of his willpower? The same as Doom if I recall correctly. Sue has pretty high willpower.
It's a battle so why have you got Emma playing games. She's changing her mind as to what she wants to do several times - just so Sue can get a hit in?
No, really I was just remembering your earlier arguement on the different types of forcefields, pooling all my willpower into moving my fingers together, and typing out a post that poked fun at that.
Fight starts she'd most probably use her most offensive power and that's a mindblast. It's irrelevant because if she's going to control them she'll control them all, if she's going to telepathicall make orgasm to unconsciousness she'll do it to all four, if she's going to mindblast she does it to all four.
And at least Sue would be protected.
And you're still going with illogical Sue>faster>telepathy? Telepathy [b]is
the thought.[/b]
Forcefields aren't pizzas. They don't take half an hour to arrive. In both situations there's a result with a thought. One offense and one defense. They meet at a crossroads in the woods and one has an amulet and the other a ring. Logically the one with the staff would cancel out the one with the cloak.
😬 I meant students trained by Charles to resist psionic attack as in X-Men - Beast, Wolverine, Colossus etc. Now tell me, who trained the FF in techniques to resist psionic attack?
From what I've gathered, with great will comes resistance to telepathy. And energy welders tend to have mighty willpower.
Sue's going to be completely unfazed by a mindblast because of willpower?
Uh... Magneto's resistance comes from his electromagnetic powers.
Storm has had training from Xavier to resist mental attacks, high willpower, electromagnetic powers, and has been a telepath temporarily and still she goes down from a mindblast when Emma isn't even going all out.
Yet Sue is completely unfazed from a mindblast simply because she's Sue? Okay... this really has reached the point of being pointless.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sue's going to be completely unfazed by a mindblast because of willpower?
Uh... Magneto's resistance comes from his electromagnetic powers.Storm has had training from Xavier to resist mental attacks, high willpower, electromagnetic powers, and has been a telepath temporarily and still she goes down from a mindblast when Emma isn't even going all out.
Yet Sue is completely unfazed from a mindblast simply because she's Sue? Okay... this really has reached the point of being pointless.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sue's going to be completely unfazed by a mindblast because of willpower?
Uh... Magneto's resistance comes from his electromagnetic powers.Storm has had training from Xavier to resist mental attacks, high willpower, electromagnetic powers, and has been a telepath temporarily and still she goes down from a mindblast when Emma isn't even going all out.
Yet Sue is completely unfazed from a mindblast simply because she's Sue? Okay... this really has reached the point of being pointless.
U know ur making a lot of good points and I respect that, but Simply Sue? Hmmm....she's seen and done more than that whole X-Team. I dont think ur aknowledging her powers and experience. Actually, I dont think you've aknowledged anything about the F4 or anyone they've fought in the past. The only example u've brought up is X4 which wasnt even in continuity. I think if u knew more about what the F4 have done and faced u wouldnt even be making this argument.
Sue is definitely one of the most powerful earthborn heroes there is but that doesn't mean sheer willpower is going to protect her from a mind assault. Given time she could blow holes right through the X-Men (bar Shadowcat) and I'm sure she could shield her team from telepathy - but that all depends on her being able to act faster than telepathy can knock out her team and at the very least stun her enough to prevent her from using her powers effectively. Imo logically telepathy effects faster than forcefields.
Both teams could win in a well written realistic fight.
Actually, Dr Doom has withstood Xavier's telepathy from his sheer willpower...Doom's a crazy bastard though
Even if this fight came down to this showdown between Emma and Sue scenerio, I still have to give it to Sue. She is a real warrior, and leader... lead the F4 against Exitar, Galactus, Hyperstorm. She has experienced mental attacks too, in fact she was mind raped by Galactus...it was pretty impressive.
Emma's had some pretty impressive showing lately too, i.e. against the Golgotha, the latest Brotherhood and Black Tom...But I dont think I'll ever have level of respect for her that I have for Sue.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/emmaff.jpg
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364456&perpage=20&highlight=Emma+Sue+Speed+of+thought&pagenumber=5
Originally posted by WynndarYour level of respect for her has no bearing on the outcome of the fight.
Actually, Dr Doom has withstood Xavier's telepathy from his sheer willpower...Doom's a crazy bastard thoughEven if this fight came down to this showdown between Emma and Sue scenerio, I still have to give it to Sue. She is a real warrior, and leader... lead the F4 against Exitar, Galactus, Hyperstorm. She has experienced mental attacks too, in fact she was mind raped by Galactus...it was pretty impressive.
Emma's had some pretty impressive showing lately too, i.e. against the Golgotha, the latest Brotherhood and Black Tom...But I dont think I'll ever have level of respect for her that I have for Sue.
Originally posted by Creshosk
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/anticryste/emmaff.jpg
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364456&perpage=20&highlight=Emma+Sue+Speed+of+thought&pagenumber=5Your level of respect for her has no bearing on the outcome of the fight.
Well...I guess u didnt get my point. Since we are all expressing our subjective opinions on this fight, many of us are chosing a side based on which character we like most or respect most or know the most about.
I honestly dont consider u anymore objective than myself. U are generally an X-Men/Wolverine supporter while I'm generally an F4 supporter...just being honest.
I respect IW more because what I know she's done...Im not even going to use the argument that if this group has taken on Exitar, Galactus, Abraxis, the Dreaming Celestial, Ego, Overmind, Watcher Doom, Cosmic Doom, Occulus, etc. I dont think they would even take this team of X-Men seriously.
Originally posted by WynndarRight. . which is why I support any of the FF over Wolverine . . . right?
Well...I guess u didnt get my point. Since we are all expressing our subjective opinions on this fight, many of us are chosing a side based on which character we like most or respect most or know the most about.I honestly dont consider u anymore objective than myself. U are generally an X-Men/Wolverine supporter while I'm generally an F4 supporter...just being honest.
I respect IW more because what I know she's done...Im not even going to use the argument that if this group has taken on Exitar, Galactus, Abraxis, the Dreaming Celestial, Ego, Overmind, Watcher Doom, Cosmic Doom, Occulus, etc. I dont think they would even take this team of X-Men seriously.
Hey Im not calling u a fanboy...ur not Wolverine8888. Im just saying I get the impression u like them. Im not saying u get irrational. I like the X-Men too. X-Men is my favorite book right now. The art and writing is better than F4 at the present.
Neither of us is saying anything wrong, I was just defending myself against ur comment about my respect for IW over Emma.
I love how wynndar talks crap about me when I havent been posting in this thread lol by the way u know nuthing wynndar lol thing beating wolverine is a joke hell thing when ever wolverine fights to kill or gets realy pissed takes him out in seconds. enemy of the state wait what it take totaly of 5 seconds for thing to be taken down. any ways X-men win this
