Mormons

Originally posted by Eis
Great minds think alike.

There's still some left, I can't remember how it goes though...

Googledeedoo:

He found the stones and golden plates
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Even though nobody else ever saw them
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

And that's how the Book of Mormon was written
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dahumb dahumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dumb dumb dumb duuumb, duuumb.

Martin went home to his wife
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
And showed her pages from the Book of Mormon
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Lucy Harris smart smart smart
Smart smart smart smart smart

Martin Harris dumb dadumb-

Lucy Harris smart smart smart
Martin Harris dumb.
So Martin went on back to Smith
Said the pages had gone away
Smith got mad and told Martin
He needed to go pray
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

You do realize that at least 12 other people saw the plates don't you?

As far as where they are today? We don't know, the angel took them back after the translation was finished.

Originally posted by docb77
You do realize that at least 12 other people saw the plates don't you?

As far as where they are today? We don't know, the angel took them back after the translation was finished.

Hmm... And exactly how was the translation made?

Originally posted by docb77
You do realize that at least 12 other people saw the plates don't you?

As far as where they are today? We don't know, the angel took them back after the translation was finished.

How convienient.

😉

"...if we or an angel from heaven preach any other (gospel) (message) to you than what (We) (the 1st. century Apostles of Jesus) have preached to you, let him be accursed."

Galatians 1:8

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
How convienient...

That is a line that goes though my head with a lot of Christian ideas. 😉

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
How convienient.

😉

"...if we or an angel from heaven preach any other (gospel) (message) to you than what (We) (the 1st. century Apostles of Jesus) have preached to you, let him be accursed."

Galatians 1:8

And so it is that Christianity is accursed. They preach a Trinitarian Doctrine that did not exist when the 1st. century Apostles of Jesus taught. They do not preach the pre-existence, which was taught until 100-250 years after. They preach infant baptism which has no Biblical reference. They preach the end of the prophets which has no biblical reference. These things they teach with no intervention by God to say they should. Hmmm, sounds like a different Gospel to me.

How convenient rolleyes1

Originally posted by Regret
They preach a Trinitarian Doctrine that did not exist when the 1st. century Apostles of Jesus taught.

Question #1. Who's they?

Question #2. Have you by chance read your Bible lately?

Question #2. If question #2. is (Yes), we should have no question about the fact that the God of the Bible is Trinity in His nature. 🙄

Comment: You see, any other (Gospel=Message) OUTSIDE of the Bible that doesn't AGREE with what the scriptures have ALREADY said is "Another Gospel".

Example: Did you read the verses I shared with you showing you Jesus is also called, "The Everlasting Father"?

Originally posted by Eis
You do realize there are people that claim Charlie Manson was a prophet don't you? Forgive me for not taking the word of those 12 people .

How many people's word are there in support of Christ? The only ones that can be considered witnesses to us in this time are those listed in the Bible, and it is a fact that probably the only one that wrote his own words in it was Paul. I hope you don't rely on these only to support any belief you have in the Bible, at least not if that is your issue with the witnesses of the Book of Mormon.

Originally posted by Eis
Hmm... And exactly how was the translation made?

Does this matter in any way? If you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet then it works, if you don't it doesn't. The attack is worthless in that it is only valid if Joseph Smith was not a prophet, a fact that is being discussed at the moment.

Originally posted by Regret

I was once praying earnestly upon the subject. and a voice said unto me. My son, if thou livest till thou art 85 years of age, thou shalt see the face of the son of man.--I was left to draw my own conclusion concerning this & I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live till that time he would make his appearance.--but I do not say whether he will make his appearance or I shall go where he is.--I prophecy in the name of the Lord God.--& let it be written. that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old 48 years hence or about 1890.13

On March 10, 1844, Smith again mentioned the second coming. This sermon was recorded by several of those who heard it. Here is some of what was recorded:

But I take the responsibility upon myself to prophesy in the name of the Lord, that Christ will not come this year as Miller has prophecyed, for we have seen the bow. and I also Prophecy in the name of the Lord that Christ will not Come in forty years & if God ever spake by my mouth he will not in that length of time & Jesus Christ never did reveal to any man the precise time that he would come, go & read the scriptures & you cannot find any thing that specified the exact time he would come & all who say so are fals teachers.14

The Saviour will not come this year. nor 40 yrs to come.15

--The Messiah will not come this year--upsets Millerites the Messiah will not come for 40 years and he told the people to write it a very large and attentive congregation— 16

--And that the Revelation of the Son of Man from Heaven, would not be in this year, nor the next, and he would say to his Millerite friends, that it would not be in forty years to come. He uttered all this in the name of the Lord, and said we should go home and write it— 17

So God told Joseph Smith that He "Wouldn't Come" numerous times huh 😎

Jesus said, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

Matthew 24:36

Revised Joseph Smith Version:

Jesus said, "But of that day and hour no one knows except Joseph Smith, who has been given several Revelations from God about when that day at least won't happen."

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Question #1. Who's they?

Question #2. Have you by chance read your Bible lately?

Question #2. If question #2. is (Yes), we should have no question about the fact that the God of the Bible is Trinity in His nature. 🙄

Comment: You see, any other (Gospel=Message) OUTSIDE of the Bible that doesn't AGREE with what the scriptures have ALREADY said is "Another Gospel".

Example: Did you read the verses I shared with you showing you Jesus is also called, "The Everlasting Father"?

Once again, you did not read my posts in response to your quote, nor did you read Peejayd's post on the same verse.

The Godhead is Trinity in the fact that there are three distinct beings. Up until the council of Nicaea there was not agreement on the subject. It was not a part of the Gospel teaching that the Trinity was a single entity manifested in three forms, until after 326 A.D. It is a different message than the message the apostles taught. Fact.

You have the burden of proving that the "Message" of the LDS church is in conflict with the Bible. Your interpretation of verses is not evidence, given the fact that I can quote Bible passages that show a conflict with your statements.

"And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God." (Acts 7:56)

"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" (Hebrews 1:2-3)

It seems that Christ was seen on the right hand of God, not as God in a single entity. It also states that Christ was the image of God.

"No man hath seen God at any time ; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
(John 1:18)

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I ."
John 14:28

If you want to attack based on the Book of Mormon conflicting with the Bible message, defend your Trinity in single entity Gospel against these verses first. You have never supplied evidence strong enough to contradict what was stated in these verses.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
So God told Joseph Smith that He "Wouldn't Come" numerous times huh 😎

Jesus said, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

Matthew 24:36

Revised Joseph Smith Version:

Jesus said, "But of that day and hour no one knows except Joseph Smith, who has been given several Revelations from God about when that day at least won't happen."

Is there a conflict? If he was told that it won't happen, it does not conflict with your Bible reference. At least show something with some strength to it.

Sorry it double posted it.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Question #1. Who's they?

Question #2. Have you by chance read your Bible lately?

#1 So those that believe as you do don't teach people that the Trinity is a single entity wit three manifestations?

#2 Yes

Sorry, didn't answer those two

Originally posted by Regret
Is there a conflict? If he was told that it won't happen, it does not conflict with your Bible reference. At least show something with some strength to it.

Must be nice to be Joseph Smith. Jesus didn't even have a clue. 😮

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Question #1. Who's they?

Question #2. Have you by chance read your Bible lately?

Question #2. If question #2. is (Yes), we should have no question about the fact that the God of the Bible is Trinity in His nature. 🙄

Comment: You see, any other (Gospel=Message) OUTSIDE of the Bible that doesn't AGREE with what the scriptures have ALREADY said is "Another Gospel".

Example: Did you read the verses I shared with you showing you Jesus is also called, "The Everlasting Father"?

Question #1 I can't answer because it was addressed to Regret

Question #2 Yes I have read my Bible lately.

Question #3 this has been answered by Regret already, that the Trinity refers to three seperate beings, and the scriptures he gave show that.

In response to your Comment, Have you read the Book of Mormon yet? If not then how can you say it doesn't AGREE with the scriptures, it AGREE's very much with the BIBLE as far as the BIBILE is tranlated CORRECTLY. You see the BIBLE was translated by MAN, and the BOOK OF MORMON was translated by A man through the power of GOD. Which would make the BOOK OF MORMON more correct. So, if you haven't read the Book of Mormon yet, read it before you say it doesn't agree with the scriptures, and don't read it with the intent that you already know it's untrue. Read it like you have no idea whether it is true or not, and as you are reading, pray and ask God if it is true.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Must be nice to be Joseph Smith. Jesus didn't even have a clue. 😮

He must have had some clue, since he's the one that told Smith.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Must be nice to be Joseph Smith. Jesus didn't even have a clue. 😮

I guess so, I wouldn't mind being able to speak with God and Christ.

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Philippians 2:1-2
"If therefore there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Originally posted by Regulus A Black
Question #1 I can't answer because it was addressed to Regret

Question #2 Yes I have read my Bible lately.

Question #3 this has been answered by Regret already, that the Trinity refers to three seperate beings, and the scriptures he gave show that.

In response to your Comment, Have you read the Book of Mormon yet? If not then how can you say it doesn't AGREE with the scriptures, it AGREE's very much with the BIBLE as far as the BIBILE is tranlated CORRECTLY. You see the BIBLE was translated by MAN, and the BOOK OF MORMON was translated by A man through the power of GOD. Which would make the BOOK OF MORMON more correct. So, if you haven't read the Book of Mormon yet, read it before you say it doesn't agree with the scriptures, and don't read it with the intent that you already know it's untrue. Read it like you have no idea whether it is true or not, and as you are reading, pray and ask God if it is true.

Have you read the Bible Regulus? If so, where is your scripture backing and support?

It is so funny reading an argument among Christians. 😆