Didn't Arthur Dent run into Marchello as he and Ford Prefect left the area earth had been in? Vogons? Or maybe he was Know-Nothing Bozo the Non-Wonder Dog... They both have similar qualities to Marchello.... and speaking of the Hitchhiker's Guide, it'd be nice to have a point of view gun to blast him with 😉
soooo Jesus was born without sin. SO i guess a man inserting his penis into a woman's vagina is considered sin( even if it is to bring forth life) , but JEsus coming out of this same body part, ie a vagina means that he is without sin???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
And Yo, Flame, a woman can use language just as much as a man, In fact when a woman uses it, it may shock a man and cause him to listen. You on the other hand are not a man, just a useless quoter of scriptures with no reason to use the advanced brain that GOD BLESSED US WITH.
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*["...You know nothing about the LDS Church. We are tired of your lies. In a nutshell, we have the truth and the prophet. What do you have?"]
***Lets see...the Catholics have the pope as their leader and living prophet...the Jehovah Witnesses have Richard Taze Russell as their dearly departed prophet...Scientologists have L. Ron Hubbard as their dearly departed prophet...the Christadelphians have Dr. John Thomas as their leader and prophet...Christian Scientists have their prophetess Mary Baker Eddy...the Shepherd's Chapel have their leader Arnold Murray...the International Church of Christ has Kip McKeen as their prophet and leader...the Muslims have their renouned Muhammad as their leader and prophet...and finally...the Mormons have their "exalted" leader Joe Smith. The fact that you have a "prophet" means NOTHING...every CULT has a prophet and is no criteria that their claims are LEGITIMATE. So much for your claims and prophet.
Here is what Mormonism REALLY is...in a NUTSHELL:
The Mormon Church teaches that God used to be a MAN on another "world"...and that he became a "god" by following the LAWS and ORDINANCES of HIS "god" on his "home world." In his present "god-state," he rules our world. He has a body of FLESH and BONES and he has a "wife"...a "goddess" wife. Since they are both "exalted" persons, they each possess PHYSICAL bodies. In their exalted states as "deities"...they produce "spirit" children that grow and mature in the spiritual realm. The FIRST "spirit" born child was Jesus [i.e., the product or CREATION of the "union" of this "god" and his "goddess" wife]. Afterwards were born the DEVIL and all other spirit "creatures." After the spirit children are born to "god" and his "goddess" wife in heaven...they come down and entered into the bodies of HUMAN babies that are being born on earth. During this "compression" into the infant state, the memories of their "pre-existence" is "veiled." All people were, according to your church, born in heaven first...and then on earth where they are to grow, learn, and return to "god."
God the Father, who is called Elohim, was concerned for the future salvation of the people on earth. In the heavenly realm, the Father had a plan for the salvation of the world. Jesus "endorsed" the Father's plan...his "spirit brother" Lucifer did not. Lucifer became JEALOUS and REBELLED. In his rebellion he convinced LARGE PORTION of the spirits existing in heaven to "side" with him and oppose "god." God being more powerful then they, cursed these rebellious spirits to become DEMONS.
The remaining spirits sided with "god." Since they chose the "better" way...when it comes time for them to live on earth, they have the "privilege" of being born in RACES and LOCATIONS that are relative to their CONDITION and CHOICE made in the spirit realm [p. 316 of Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie].
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Originally posted by Marchello
Page 1:*["...You know nothing about the LDS Church. We are tired of your lies. In a nutshell, we have the truth and the prophet. What do you have?"]
***Lets see...the Catholics have the pope as their leader and living prophet...the Jehovah Witnesses have Richard Taze Russell as their dearly departed prophet...Scientologists have L. Ron Hubbard as their dearly departed prophet...the Christadelphians have Dr. John Thomas as their leader and prophet...Christian Scientists have their prophetess Mary Baker Eddy...the Shepherd's Chapel have their leader Arnold Murray...the International Church of Christ has Kip McKeen as their prophet and leader...the Muslims have their renouned Muhammad as their leader and prophet...and finally...the Mormons have their "exalted" leader Joe Smith. The fact that you have a "prophet" means NOTHING...every CULT has a prophet and is no criteria that their claims are LEGITIMATE. So much for your claims and prophet.
Here is what Mormonism REALLY is...in a NUTSHELL:
The Mormon Church teaches that God used to be a MAN on another "world"...and that he became a "god" by following the LAWS and ORDINANCES of HIS "god" on his "home world." In his present "god-state," he rules our world. He has a body of FLESH and BONES and he has a "wife"...a "goddess" wife. Since they are both "exalted" persons, they each possess PHYSICAL bodies. In their exalted states as "deities"...they produce "spirit" children that grow and mature in the spiritual realm. The FIRST "spirit" born child was Jesus [i.e., the product or CREATION of the "union" of this "god" and his "goddess" wife]. Afterwards were born the DEVIL and all other spirit "creatures." After the spirit children are born to "god" and his "goddess" wife in heaven...they come down and entered into the bodies of HUMAN babies that are being born on earth. During this "compression" into the infant state, the memories of their "pre-existence" is "veiled." All people were, according to your church, born in heaven first...and then on earth where they are to grow, learn, and return to "god."
God the Father, who is called Elohim, was concerned for the future salvation of the people on earth. In the heavenly realm, the Father had a plan for the salvation of the world. Jesus "endorsed" the Father's plan...his "spirit brother" Lucifer did not. Lucifer became JEALOUS and REBELLED. In his rebellion he convinced LARGE PORTION of the spirits existing in heaven to "side" with him and oppose "god." God being more powerful then they, cursed these rebellious spirits to become DEMONS.
The remaining spirits sided with "god." Since they chose the "better" way...when it comes time for them to live on earth, they have the "privilege" of being born in RACES and LOCATIONS that are relative to their CONDITION and CHOICE made in the spirit realm [p. 316 of Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie].
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In the Mormon plan of salvation there needed to be a savior: "jesus". But "jesus" was a "spirit" in heaven. For him to be born on earth, Brigham Young [the second "prophet" of the Mormon Church] said that instead of letting any other man "do it"..."god" the Father did "it" with Mary. He said that the birth of our Saviour was as "natural" as the birth of our parents. Essentially, what this means is that "god" the Father came down and had SEXUAL RELATIONS with Mary, "his" spirit DAUGHTER, to PRODUCE [i.e., CREATE] the body of "jesus." "Jesus," then, was born, got MARRIED, and had children [Jedediah M. Grant, second Counselor to Brigham Young said so in Journal of Discourses, Vol, pp. 345-346]. He died on the cross and paid for sins NOT on the cross ONLY...but in the Garden of Gethsemane BEFORE he went to the cross.
Mormon men and women have the potential of becoming "gods." President Lorenzo Snow said, "As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become." In order to reach this "exalted" state a person must first become a "good Mormon"...pay a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church...follow the various Laws and Ordinances of the church...and be found "worthy." Afterwards, he or she can enter a Mormon temple and go through secret rituals: baptism for the DEAD...celestial marriage...and various oaths of secrecy and commitment. Additionally, four secret handshakes are taught so the believing Mormon, upon entering the THIRD LEVEL of Mormon heaven, can shake hands with "god" in a certain pattern. This celestial ritual is for the purpose of permitting entrance into that level of heaven [What's Going on in There? An exposing of the Secret Mormon Temple Rituals, by Bob Witte & Gordon H. Fraser. Gordon Fraser, Publisher].
For those who achieve this highest of heaven, exaltation to "godhood" awaits them. Then, he or she...will be permitted to have his or her "own planet" and be the "god" of his own "world" and the Mormon system will be "expanded" to other planets.
BOTTOM-LINE: One has to be on LSD to believe what the LDS has concocted...it's like the Heaven's Gate group...only you aren't chasing a comet..........YET!
Marchello
Originally posted by Robtard
Which denomination does Marchello prescribe too? He seems WAY too angry and judgemental of others to be a Christian.
I am pretty sure he is one of those "religions of one" - his Church consists of him, his opinion and his dislike of most every other type of Christian their is.
In the Mormon plan of salvation there needed to be a savior: "jesus". But "jesus" was a "spirit" in heaven. For him to be born on earth, Brigham Young [the second "prophet" of the Mormon Church] said that instead of letting any other man "do it"..."god" the Father did "it" with Mary. He said that the birth of our Saviour was as "natural" as the birth of our parents. Essentially, what this means is that "god" the Father came down and had SEXUAL RELATIONS with Mary, "his" spirit DAUGHTER, to PRODUCE [i.e., CREATE] the body of "jesus." "Jesus," then, was born, got MARRIED, and had children [Jedediah M. Grant, second Counselor to Brigham Young said so in Journal of Discourses, Vol, pp. 345-346]. He died on the cross and paid for sins NOT on the cross ONLY...but in the Garden of Gethsemane BEFORE he went to the cross.
God damn it - how do you tie together "He said that the birth of our Saviour was as "natural"..." and "Essentially, what this means is that "god" the Father came down and had SEXUAL RELATIONS with Mary" - birth is an act, the process of the baby being born. Not the act of conception. Not the pregnancy itself. The actual birthing process. And if Jesus existed, whether he was divine or not, then his birth would have been as natural as the birth of pretty much every person around. Since I am assuming he exited his mothers body in the natural way and didn't, oh I don't know, burst forth like something from aliens or ooze out her ears or something.
And what does it matter if Jesus got married and had children? He was human wasn't he?
BOTTOM-LINE: One has to be on LSD to believe what the LDS has concocted...it's like the Heaven's Gate group...only you aren't chasing a comet..........YET!
[In English voice over]: Ah. Now what we have here is an example of the pot calling the kettle black. Rarely do you see a more perfect example. Indeed rarely do we see its kind so unapologetic.
Marchello was fairly accurate as to most of our beliefs.
He was off on the God had sex with Mary statement, but I have hammered that nail fairly hard regardless of his continued assertions otherwise. We do not believe God had sexual relations with Mary.
We do not believe Christ was married or had children, but we do not deny the possibility, we believe marriage and procreation are two of the most sacred and important aspects of existence here and through eternity, no reason Christ would not have. And the Bible doesn't deny the concept, it is silent on the subject.
Also, I won't comment on the Temple one way or the other due to the sacred importance it has for us. Marchello, you are rather inappropriate in your lack of respect for other's beliefs.