Darth Sidious Vs Durge

Originally posted by Ianus
About the lightning war... Sidious zaps Yoda with one hand. Out goes the lightsaber. Yoda then reaches UP and grabs the lightning. Sidious uses both hands now, and Yoda blocks with both hands.

Sidious then steps forward. He seems to be cackling with delight. Yoda is leaning backwards, appearing pained. Then, he gets a loot of Resolve (tm). He pushes forward. Sidious suddenly looks pained (And sounds it too) Then there's the explosion. Sidious goes head over heels backwards. Yoda is not onscreen for the explosion. Indeed, all we see is the next shot of him falling down. So it was not Yoda flying more. That's bullshit.

This is the post my previous reply was to. Gosh, you guys made like ten post in 2 minutes 😠 lol

Uh, he fell and grabbed the center pod. From there he hit another pod and skidded over. Point?

Originally posted by The Creator
Ahh, but Yoda only uses the force for defensive purposes and also wasn't trying to kill Dooku but capture him. Not to mention the little green dude is 874 years old. But I will agree that Sidious had more potential than Yoda I mean look at his Dark Empire version.

This is true. Count Dooku is uber-l33t but is personally overpowered in these parts, though there are those who make excellent arguments in his defense. No, I don't believe Yoda was trying to kill Dooku, merely exhaust him to the point where he would surrender. Yoda was, on the otherhand, strangely trying to gain the offensive against Sidious, who we know he desired to kill.

Originally posted by Escape81
Are you sure? The status of my television is in question, considering it was nailed by the storms that recently occured here (I live in Tennesee) but it doesn't seem that his eyes are open.

So, Sidious was laughing his ass off while watching Yoda lift a pod back up at him, and decided to do nothing to stop it? I'm not so sure...

Sorry about your TV, his eyes are open, I just checked.

He may have had some crack on his hand though, as he appeared to be sniffing his hand. 😄

Well, there IS PIS, Escape. I think we can both agree that there are instances where Force usage SHOULD have been used. If Yoda can catch a pod coming at him like that, Sidious should reasonably be able to do the same with one coming at him slowly. Also, Yoda can block lightning with his hands like it ain't no thang, but he got "surprised" in the office. I think it's more a matter of dramatic neccessity.

Originally posted by Ianus
Uh, he fell and grabbed the center pod. From there he hit another pod and skidded over. Point?

Point is that Sidious was only knocked a few feet by the blast, while Yoda flew over thirty.

Actually, he hits the same pod he grabbed on to. Those wall things him and Sidious are standing on as they fought with sabers is what he hits, then he roles and grabs onto the edge of it.

You know what else, I don't remember SIdious ever losing hsi saber. Did he and I missed it(several times)?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Sorry about your TV, his eyes are open, I just checked.

He may have had some crack on his hand though, as he appeared to be sniffing his hand. 😄

It's okay. We're getting a new one tomorrow. But in this case, I'll have to rely on you for visual aid, my friend. 😛

As I said, it wouldn't be really... Sidious-like for him to have plainly observed Yoda chuck a pod back, and then do nothing about it until the last moment, considering Sidious is very self-conscious and prefers to live whenever remotely possible. Perhaps he merely was enjoying his laugh to the point where he wasn't paying attention to our little green hero... Yoda hates when he's not attained to. 😛

Originally posted by Escape81
It's okay. We're getting a new one tomorrow. But in this case, I'll have to rely on you for visual aid, my friend. 😛

As I said, it wouldn't be really... Sidious-like for him to have plainly observed Yoda chuck a pod back, and then do nothing about it until the last moment, considering Sidious is very self-conscious and prefers to live whenever remotely possible. Perhaps he merely was enjoying his laugh to the point where he wasn't paying attention to our little green hero... Yoda hates when he's not attained to. 😛

I can just imagine Sidious sitting in his chair, smoking marijuana or something that slows his mind down and then regretting it during the fight with Yoda since there are so many times he stands and lets himself get hit.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Point is that Sidious was only knocked a few feet by the blast, while Yoda flew over thirty.

Actually, he hits the same pod he grabbed on to. Those wall things him and Sidious are standing on as they fought with sabers is what he hits, then he roles and grabs onto the edge of it.

You know what else, I don't remember SIdious ever losing hsi saber. Did he and I missed it(several times)?

I've watched it, man. I don't see where Yoda was propelled farther then Sidious. He falls straight down. If you are pushed back and you fall down, you will have some horizontal angle added to your fall, period. The center pod was a ways down from the pod they had the battle in. This is not evidence of superior Force power, sorry.

And it's inbetween scenes he loses his blade. Official script has Yoda disarming him but going to a lower pod for some unspecified reason. The movie instead flickers over to Obi and Ani, and back again.

True, Janus.

I have said that Yoda was surprised in Palpatine's office, but he did bring his hands up in a last ditch effort to defend himself. But he was overpowered and smashed against the wall.

Also. Both our main villain and our uber Yoda don't like to pay attention with one another. For example:

Incident A:

Sidious raised his hands very slowly, and Yoda simply stood there. If I were Yoda, I would cleverly deduce that when I walked into my enemy's stronghold - this enemy being a Sith Lord, also - I would deduce that he would be a severe threat to my life and that he would attempt to attack me whenever he could. I would cleverly deduce that, being Dooku's old master, he would also know all - and even more - of Dooku's tricks. Like that old Sith Lightning technique. Thusly, I would defend myself should this cowled Sith Lord ever raise his hands at me, assuming he would chuck lightning at me, and not attempt to give me the finger.

Incident B:

Yoda caught a pod - in front of Sidious's own open eyes. Sidious then decides to break into a jolly good laugh, assuming a little green elf catching a pod quadruple his size must be immensely humorous. That same Sith Lord then apparently forgets that his opponent is immensely deadly, and possesses the desire to kill him. So he decides to not pay attention, despite the creature having a very heavy blunt object that could be used to crush vital bones and organs that the Sith Lord is required to live with. Thusly, it is my belief that the Sith Lord should've simply shook his head and chucked another pod instead of enjoying a good laugh at an inconveniant time.

And the pod they're fighting on? It's moving. You can see the background moving. The pod is probably activated for whatever reason and is moving close to center, like the senators do when they want to address an issue.

Originally posted by Ianus
I've watched it, man. I don't see where Yoda was propelled farther then Sidious. He falls straight down. If you are pushed back and you fall down, you will have some horizontal angle added to your fall, period. The center pod was a ways down from the pod they had the battle in. This is not evidence of superior Force power, sorry.

And it's inbetween scenes he loses his blade. Official script has Yoda disarming him but going to a lower pod for some unspecified reason. The movie instead flickers over to Obi and Ani, and back again.

Okay, because I thought he lost it, but coudn't find where.

Notice that when Yoda is falling toward the center pod, he is falling almost straight down. This doesn't make much sense, probably an error since they haven't prefected digital animation yet, but Yoda is shown as already over the centerpod before he begins to fall really fast. Yoda did for sure fly back farther than Sidious, even without the horizontal add-on.

Originally posted by Ianus
I've watched it, man. I don't see where Yoda was propelled farther then Sidious. He falls straight down. If you are pushed back and you fall down, you will have some horizontal angle added to your fall, period. The center pod was a ways down from the pod they had the battle in. This is not evidence of superior Force power, sorry.

And it's inbetween scenes he loses his blade. Official script has Yoda disarming him but going to a lower pod for some unspecified reason. The movie instead flickers over to Obi and Ani, and back again.

Oh yes. I recall Darth Somebody pointing that out. So, assuming not to be the fanboy he became, I will point out that this is true. The original script of AOTC displayed Yoda flat out owning Dooku to a degree that is worse than what the ROTS script displayed. The AOTC script was not used, and though Yoda seemed to be the superior duelist, he did not ever overcome Count Dooku, nor was he able to slay the renegade Jedi. At the same time, it would be rather curious for one to disarm one's opponent whom one wants to kill, then being able to kill one's opponent, and mysteriously leaving the scene.

Curious. Curious. Perhaps this inconsistency is a good reason why Lucas left that bit out of the movie.

Originally posted by Escape81
Oh yes. I recall Darth Somebody pointing that out. So, assuming not to be the fanboy he became, I will point out that this is true. The original script of AOTC displayed Yoda flat out owning Dooku to a degree that is worse than what the ROTS script displayed. The AOTC script was not used, and though Yoda seemed to be the superior duelist, he did not ever overcome Count Dooku, nor was he able to slay the renegade Jedi. At the same time, it would be rather curious for one to disarm one's opponent whom one wants to kill, then being able to kill one's opponent, and mysteriously leaving the scene.

Curious. Curious. Perhaps this inconsistency is a good reason why Lucas left that bit out of the movie.

What's the alternative, Escape? Sidious tucked his saber away and Yoda jumped down for no good tactical reason?

Originally posted by Ianus
And the pod they're fighting on? It's moving. You can see the background moving. The pod is probably activated for whatever reason and is moving close to center, like the senators do when they want to address an issue.

It didn't seem like it was moving towards the center, and it certainly didn't make it a full thirty feet.

Thirty feet? You measured?

No, seriously... It's moving. This could be CGI screw up (Since it it unlikely the entire set exists like that from all angles) or bad editing. In any case, the background moves, even when the camera isn't moving.

It does seem likely that Yoda wasn't trying to kill Dooku. Even with padawans that have fallen to the darkside, the masters have always failed to kill their apprentices. (Mace didn't want to hurt Depa as he fought her. Obi-wan didn't walk up and remove Anakins head).

Originally posted by Ianus
Thirty feet? You measured?

No, seriously... It's moving. This could be CGI screw up (Since it it unlikely the entire set exists like that from all angles) or bad editing. In any case, the background moves, even when the camera isn't moving.

Yeah, I measured(what can I say, it's been a slow day).

Originally posted by Ianus
What's the alternative, Escape? Sidious tucked his saber away and Yoda jumped down for no good tactical reason?

Now, now, Janus. No need to be snooty about it. I simply said that the move would not make sense, and it is more logical that Palpatine did indeed 'tuck' the blade away, but only to shift to ranged assault, where he could potentially find a greater advantage to exploit. Let's face it. Saber-to-saber battle was getting neither of them anywhere.

The same question I pose to you is: Why would Yoda, who wants to kill Palpatine and has a limited time to do it, jump away from his opponent when he is a position to do so?

Answer me that.

Originally posted by Escape81
Now, now, Janus. No need to be snooty about it. I simply said that the move would not make sense, and it is more logical that Palpatine did indeed 'tuck' the blade away, but only to shift to ranged assault, where he could potentially find a greater advantage to exploit. Let's face it. Saber-to-saber battle was getting neither of them anywhere.

The same question I pose to you is: Why would Yoda, who wants to kill Palpatine and has a limited time to do it, jump away from his opponent when he is a position to do so?

Answer me that.

Good point. Someone find the missing footage and we'll analyze it then.