Yeah, Naga had mutiple amulets.
It wasn't necessarily Sadow's ship. There really isn't enough proof to make me believe Sadow couldn't have done it without his ship.
The core of a star contains the majority of a stars mass. To rip out the core, you would have to push through all of the other stellar matter, which is extremely difficult. It takes light YEARS to push through from the core to the surface, the core will be much harder. Ripping out the core may require more energy than moving the entire thing.
Isn't enough proof? Need I remind you that a weakling, Aleema Keto, used Sadow's ship to perform the very same feat Sadow did? Quite obviously, the majority of the power used to perform this feat came from the ship and Sadow's equipment, not the force user controlling it.
That and there was no other instance of Sadow performing this kind of feat outside and independant of his ship. Prove that he did, and then we'll see.
Aleema a weakling? Hardly. She was the most powerful Krath, which is quite an acomplishment. She had years to study from Ancient Sith knowledge and artifacts that Omnin gave her.
You also failed to notice that she didn't control the blast like Sadow. She merely caused the star to explode, which is why she died in the process.
She was certainly not the most powerful Krath. Her cousin Satal was her equal, so she tricked Ulic Qel-Droma into killing him. The Krath themselves weren't particularly powerful, but they had the resources to wage a war. Other than Satal and Aleema, the rest of the Krath are weaklings, not even important enough to be taught by Nadd.
At the height of her power, she was blasted away without so much as an afterthought by Exar Kun.
This is not to mention the fact that her best techniques were simple illusions, easily dispelled by Nomi Sunrider.
And again you're wrong. Read TOTJ. She ripped the core from the star just as Naga Sadow did, and flung it at her Jedi opponents. However, Exar and Ulic tricked her and didn't teach her what the aftereffect of doing so would be (supernova). That is why she died.
Why didn't Naga die in the supernova after he destroyed a star? Because he could control it, something that is much harder to do that simply destroy something.
It you ripped out the keystone on the Hoover Dam, could you stop the water that would rush towards you from killing you? No. It is harder to control the effect than cause the damage.
Does it say, she ripped the core from the star just as Naga Sadow did, or she ripped the core from the star?
When was she ever blasted away without an after thought by Exar? Was she really at the height of her power at this moment? Does being blasted away by Kun mean anything? Kun froze dozens of Jedi Masters without so much as an after though.
She led the Krath, she was the most powerful of them, thats just how it works. And what makes you think that the Krath were weak if they were able to sucessfully wage a war against the Jedi?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Why didn't Naga die in the supernova after he destroyed a star? Because he could control it, something that is much harder to do that simply destroy something.It you ripped out the keystone on the Hoover Dam, could you stop the water that would rush towards you from killing you? No. It is harder to control the effect than cause the damage.
Does it say, she ripped the core from the star just as Naga Sadow did, or she ripped the core from the star?
When was she ever blasted away without an after thought by Exar? Was she really at the height of her power at this moment? Does being blasted away by Kun mean anything? Kun froze dozens of Jedi Masters without so much as an after though.
She led the Krath, she was the most powerful of them, thats just how it works. And what makes you think that the Krath were weak if they were able to sucessfully wage a war against the Jedi?
God almighty, read the comics. The stars Naga Sadow destroyed did go supernova and he didn't hold them back at all. He ran away so as to not be consumed by the blast, something made easier by hyperspace. Aleema could not do so since she was in the middle of a star cluster and didn't know the star would go nova.
Read Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War, and you will know the following:
Aleema could rip the cores from stars using Naga Sadow's ship, just as Sadow himself did.
Aleema Keto died because she wasn't told that doing so would cause a supernova. Naga Sadow did not die because he knew this and got out of range.
Aleema Keto was head of the Krath, which was started as a club between Satal and Aleema, who were heirs to the Empress Teta System. They killed their parents using the knowledge gleaned from Freedon Nadd's spirit and became heads of the Empress Teta System, and thus the resources and defenses therein.
Aleema Keto became head of the Krath because she tricked Ulic Qel-Droma into killing Satal, her "partner", which in turn increased her own power. Some time afterwards, at the height of her force power, she was blasted away by Exar Kun after a feeble attempt to attack him. This is also after Nomi Sunrider easily dispelled Aleema's best attempts to fight the Jedi.
There were no other Krath besides Satal and Aleema. That's it. Just two. So the use of Ulic to become head of the Krath shows nothing but manipulative skill, not power. The real strength the Krath had was its legitimate hold over the Empress Teta System. The Krath (of which there were only two) were weak. Period. Their biggest threat was their army, an army Mandalore disparaged and which fought with ancient weapons.
In conclusion: Aleema Keto is a weakling. Aleema Keto could mirror feats performed by Naga Sadow. Thus, Naga Sadow's feats regarding the destruction of stars are due entirely to his ship and equipment therein, not his own power, because it is shown that even weak dark force users are able to perform them.
Originally posted by IKC
God almighty, read the comics. The stars Naga Sadow destroyed did go supernova and he didn't hold them back at all. He ran away so as to not be consumed by the blast, something made easier by hyperspace. Aleema could not do so since she was in the middle of a star cluster and didn't know the star would go nova.
How is he going to go to hyperspace while within the gravity well of a star? Notice that he is within the area where hyperspace is impossible. He had to hold it back for at least long enough to get out of the gravity well. That would take at least thirty seconds, as even the Falcon took longer than that to get out of a stars gravity well.
What did she expect to happen to the star? She's tying to blow it up, why wouldn't it explode? I'm 14 years old and failing Freshman science, yet I know that a star will go nova if you do that to it.
Originally posted by IKC
Read Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War, and you will know the following:Aleema could rip the cores from stars using Naga Sadow's ship, just as Sadow himself did.
Like I said, even if she ripped out the core just as Sadow did, she was unable to hold back the explosion. Sadow was able to.
Aleema Keto died because she wasn't told that doing so would cause a supernova. Naga Sadow did not die because he knew this and got out of range. [/B][/QUOTE]
She shouldn't need to be told, it's pratically common knowledge. She's been studying Sith things for years, how could she not know that? Exar within five minutes of looking at a Sith holocron saw what happenes when you use Sith Magic on a star.
Originally posted by IKC
Aleema Keto was head of the Krath, which was started as a club between Satal and Aleema, who were heirs to the Empress Teta System. They killed their parents using the knowledge gleaned from Freedon Nadd's spirit and became heads of the Empress Teta System, and thus the resources and defenses therein.
The Teta system is powerful, but it alone cannot hope to stand against the Army of thousands of other planets.
Originally posted by IKC
Aleema Keto became head of the Krath because she tricked Ulic Qel-Droma into killing Satal, her "partner", which in turn increased her own power. Some time afterwards, at the height of her force power, she was blasted away by Exar Kun after a feeble attempt to attack him. This is also after Nomi Sunrider easily dispelled Aleema's best attempts to fight the Jedi.
First thing we need to do is put this in perspective. Exar and Nomi are two extremely powerful beings. Exar killed Vodo, yet Vodo is better than Yoda. From what I have been told, Exar killed Vodo in seconds after he started to try to kill him. Nomi did defeat Aleema, but it was a hard fight.
Re-read the comic. Nomi escapes from the Krath, then Satal, thinking Ulic to be a spy, attacks him and is killed. Aleema had nothing to do with it.
Also, notice that Aleema was powerful enough to project images that could fool entire Armies; basically a form of Battle Meditation.
Then, on Coruscant she escaped where Ulic did not.
Originally posted by IKC
There were no other Krath besides Satal and Aleema. That's it. Just two. So the use of Ulic to become head of the Krath shows nothing but manipulative skill, not power. The real strength the Krath had was its legitimate hold over the Empress Teta System. The Krath (of which there were only two) were weak. Period. Their biggest threat was their army, an army Mandalore disparaged and which fought with ancient weapons.
She did not use Ulic, she had nothing to do with Ulic killing Satal.
How could their only be two of them when the New Essential Guide to Chronology states that "Satal Keto and Aleema marshaled their Krath forces for a coup in the Empress Teta System." That quote obviously shows that the Krath had a force of Krath, that there were more than two.
Originally posted by IKC
In conclusion: Aleema Keto is a weakling. Aleema Keto could mirror feats performed by Naga Sadow. Thus, Naga Sadow's feats regarding the destruction of stars are due entirely to his ship and equipment therein, not his own power, because it is shown that even weak dark force users are able to perform them.
Like I said, Aleema could "pull out the keystone, but not contain the river". Naga did contain the river for some time. Naga protected himself and his ship from a supernova. That feat is amazing because even the shields of an Imperial Star Destroyer fell in seconds during a supernova, yet Naga protected his ship for at least half a minute before he could go to hyperspace.
How is he going to go to hyperspace while within the gravity well of a star? Notice that he is within the area where hyperspace is impossible. He had to hold it back for at least long enough to get out of the gravity well. That would take at least thirty seconds, as even the Falcon took longer than that to get out of a stars gravity well.
He wasn't holding it back at all. It took at least a minute or two for the entire star to go nova when Aleema used it. That's more than enough time to get away. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Sadow held the star back. You're arguing with someone who has the sources in front of him, while it's plain from your previous arguments that you've not read at least DLOTS or TSW, or at least don't remember them clearly.
What did she expect to happen to the star? She's tying to blow it up, why wouldn't it explode?
No she isn't. I reiterate: "God almighty, read the comics." Her intention, and her action, was to rip the core from the star and fling it at the Jedi and other ships chasing her. Period. She was not told that doing so would cause the star to go nova. Period. She obviously did not suspect that it would because she flew into the middle of a cluster of ten stars when she did it. Read the comics.
Like I said, even if she ripped out the core just as Sadow did, she was unable to hold back the explosion. Sadow was able to.
No he did not. He ran away. You're going to have to prove that he did such, because in my humble opinion you're pulling that out of thin air (Substitute a ruder phrase if you like).
She shouldn't need to be told, it's pratically common knowledge. She's been studying Sith things for years, how could she not know that? Exar within five minutes of looking at a Sith holocron saw what happenes when you use Sith Magic on a star.
Right. She shouldn't need to be told? Why not? She barely understood how the weapon even worked, and had to get Exar Kun to explain how to use it. She only studied what Nadd taught her, which was very little in comparison to what Ulic learned, much less what Kun himself learned.
Oh, and that was a Jedi holocron Exar studied, made by Vodo Siosk Baas. It dealt partly with Sadow's flight from known space and his use of his ship on a smaller cluster of stars. Read the comics.
The Teta system is powerful, but it alone cannot hope to stand against the Army of thousands of other planets.
Lol.. Why then do you think that they didn't wage war on the Republic on a grand scale? Haven't you seen me state that the Sith War was more-so a few spectacular acts of terrorism? They, combined with the Mandalorians, raided shipyards and conducted a few more piracies before surprising Coruscant after leading away the republic fleet to Kemplex Nine. They would have won had Aleema not betrayed Ulic. (Ulic's plan was to order the admirals of every Republic fleet to hyperjump to the same coordinate.)
First thing we need to do is put this in perspective. Exar and Nomi are two extremely powerful beings. Exar killed Vodo, yet Vodo is better than Yoda. From what I have been told, Exar killed Vodo in seconds after he started to try to kill him. Nomi did defeat Aleema, but it was a hard fight.
Exar slapped away Aleema when he was nowhere near the height of his power. Read the comics. At that point, he was only equal to Qel-Droma. Nomi defeated Aleema easily, read the comics. It was in no way a hard fight. They had a harder time trying to subdue Qel-Droma than they did with Aleema's feeble powers.
Re-read the comic. Nomi escapes from the Krath, then Satal, thinking Ulic to be a spy, attacks him and is killed. Aleema had nothing to do with it. She did not use Ulic, she had nothing to do with Ulic killing Satal.
No, why don't you re-read the comic. In The Sith War, after Aleema's final betrayal, Ulic ponders to himself on how she tricked him into killing her cousin, Satal, in order to increase her own power.
Also, notice that Aleema was powerful enough to project images that could fool entire Armies; basically a form of Battle Meditation.
"zOMG SHE CAN FOOL ARMIES!" And? Armies of non-force sensitives, sure. That doesn't change the fact that, up against force users, she's a small fry, and has never won a battle.
Then, on Coruscant she escaped where Ulic did not.
Hello? Have you read the comics? The only reason Ulic was captured is because she ordered all the forces to retreat! It's called betrayal, Glentract. She told them Qel-Droma was dead and the battle was lost. Mandalore even figured it out afterwards. Big accomplishment, she can run away with her army after hanging Qel-Droma out to dry.
How could their only be two of them when the New Essential Guide to Chronology states that "Satal Keto and Aleema marshaled their Krath forces for a coup in the Empress Teta System." That quote obviously shows that the Krath had a force of Krath, that there were more than two.
This is growing insufferable. The Krath forces they refer to was the army they controlled! Read the comics! Satal and Aleema already had the military in their pocket by the time they offed the leaders of the Teta system. "That quote" is obviously interpreted incorrectly by you, Glentract, because you want what you believe to be true.
Like I said, Aleema could "pull out the keystone, but not contain the river". Naga did contain the river for some time. Naga protected himself and his ship from a supernova. That feat is amazing because even the shields of an Imperial Star Destroyer fell in seconds during a supernova, yet Naga protected his ship for at least half a minute before he could go to hyperspace.
Nonsensical, I've already answered this. There is no evidence that Naga Sadow held back the supernova of any star, whatsoever. There is evidence that he ran like hell after using his weapon, because he knew what the consequences would be! Your assumption, I predict, is not held up in the comics.
Oh, and I answered the "half a minute" bit already. It took about a full minute or perhaps two for Aleema's star to go nova.
By the way, didn't you just say that the majority of a star's mass is in its core? Well then, by tossing it away from you, would that not reduce the gravity well holding your ship in realspace?
He ran. Period.
Think about this, IKC. How would the ship destroy the star? Tractor beams are to weak. It can't multiply the users power of else Naga would have carried the technology with him, or at least kept himself in a position in which he could draw upon it.
Think about this, Glentract. How would a Sith destroy a star? Telekinesis is too weak. There's, according to you, nothing that can multiply a force user's power or else "Naga would have carried the technology with him" (nevermind the fact that he created several force-boosting amulets. By God, don't look at the man behind the curtain! Glentract has to believe that Naga Sadow is a demigod!)
A weakling can use it, Glentract. That means that Naga's power is not what you think it is.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Think about this, IKC. How would the ship destroy the star? Tractor beams are to weak. It can't multiply the users power of else Naga would have carried the technology with him, or at least kept himself in a position in which he could draw upon it.
If the ship can't destroy the star then how did Aleema Keto do it?
Seeing the things that IKC put down, and no one else has ever done that to a star (without the same ship), I am happily convinced that it was Naga's ship that destroyed the star. Naga Sadow is still rediculously powerful, but not *blow up stars powerful*, and I'm glad.