Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Who is to say Revan didn't regenerate from the Jedi too?BTW, defeating the Leviathan and controlling a black hole are FAR more impressive than anything Revan has done.
Controlling a black is just extremely strong telekinesis and comics always exaggerate things. It would have probably made a Rancor look that big and deadly as-well. yet Revan far from his full potential was easily able to defeat one of those. he's a lot more intelligent than Kyp as-well. He would have found a way to defeat the leviathan even if it was through clever tactics.
No, because the comic isn't the only place we've seen a Leviathan from. It's really that big. Also note that it was considered a superweapon by Jedi Masters.
Kyp is extremely smart in the NJO and beyond. You have no proof that Revan is smart enough to have defeated a Leviathan. Like I said, you need proof.
BTW, the telekinesis required to control a black hole would allow Kyp to toss Revan into space with ease.
Firstly a force adept can resist telekinesis, revan would be able to resist it from Durron. If faced with the opportunity Revan would likely be able to do the same as would a lot of force adepts. In the NJO Kyp is extremely foolish and a terrible decision maker. He is not extremely smart. I don't have proof that Revan could defeat this Leviathan but i would be willing to bet a lot that in the situation he woiuld prevail. Also tell me where else a Leviathan appears in the Star Wars universe.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
You have to put it more into perspective though. Kyp had no idea what to expect. Remember that these guys used longer amphistaffs then had ever been seen before. Luke, Jaina, and Jacen all knew what to expect from these guys. Also note that Luke has a shard of the Kaiburr Crystal in his lightsaber which makes it burn much more powerfully then a regular lightsaber(an more effieciently too). The biggest problem with defeating Slayers was because of their thick armor that Kyp couldn't cut through but Luke could.
It doesn't matter. If you think he's as good or better than Luke, he should have been able to own each of those Vong rather easily, with either Force or sword. Sure, Luke and his nephew and niece knew what to expect, but they'd still never fought a Slayer before.
And why should it matter if Luke had a Kaiburr crystal in his lightsaber or not? It allowed him to pierce the Vong easier, yes, but with strikes in the correct locations, Kyp should have been able to do that as well, or at the very least, defend himself from the Slayers' blows.
Lastly, if he has a greater control of the Force than Luke, why didn't he use the Force to simply crush the Slayers? Luke took one out of the fight with practically a no-look shot of 'lightning' in a spare second between brawls. Shouldn't Kyp have been able to, oh, toss them into the void of space? Or simply cause them to implode?
You still haven't explained how Kyp can be weak if he controlled a black hole just like Luke did and killed the Leviathan with, according to second_coming27, force lightning.
Did I ever say he was weak? Nope. Have you yet proven that his manipulation of a black hole would have any bearing in a close-quarters situation? No. And have you yet proven how Durron defeated the Leviathan? No. And don't try to pass of these ridiculous, completely unsupported claims as fact and expect anyone to believe you. If Kyp could have killed the Leviathan with lightning, then it would be a push-over, and its defeat would be nothing worth mentioning in these debates.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
It doesn't matter. If you think he's as good or better than Luke, he should have been able to own each of those Vong rather easily, with either Force or sword. Sure, Luke and his nephew and niece knew what to expect, but they'd still never fought a Slayer before.
Who ever said he is better then Luke? I said that he rivals Luke in power, not that he is better.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
And why should it matter if Luke had a Kaiburr crystal in his lightsaber or not? It allowed him to pierce the Vong easier, yes, but with strikes in the correct locations, Kyp should have been able to do that as well, or at the very least, defend himself from the Slayers' blows.
Kyp didn't know how long the Amphistaffs were. He actually got several hits in that would have killed a Slayer if it had been done by Luke's saber, but didn't because his is weaker.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Lastly, if he has a greater control of the Force than Luke, why didn't he use the Force to simply crush the Slayers? Luke took one out of the fight with practically a no-look shot of 'lightning' in a spare second between brawls. Shouldn't Kyp have been able to, oh, toss them into the void of space? Or simply cause them to implode?
Like I said, he isn't better then Luke, but he does rival him. If you knew anything about the NJO, you would know that you can't force push a Vong. They are outside of the Jedi spectrum of the force. Only Jacen was able to hurt them with force attacks other then lightning and whatever it was that Luke used against that one Vong. They can't be made to implode or anything like that. Why didn't Kyp use lightning on them? At this point the Jedi were still hesitent to use the Darkside.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Did I ever say he was weak? Nope. Have you yet proven that his manipulation of a black hole would have any bearing in a close-quarters situation? No. And have you yet proven how Durron defeated the Leviathan? No. And don't try to pass of these ridiculous, completely unsupported claims as fact and expect anyone to believe you. If Kyp could have killed the Leviathan with lightning, then it would be a push-over, and its defeat would be nothing worth mentioning in these debates.
You have no proof that he didn't kill the Leviathan and yet someone, who can't label a liar, says otherwise. We also know that they were considered superweapons by the people who defeated the Ancient Sith like Ajunta Pall.You have no basis for Kyp hasving used some special talent to defeat and you can't prove that they were weak because we know that they were designed to take on several Jedi Knights by themself.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Who ever said he is better then Luke? I said that he rivals Luke in power, not that he is better.
The term 'rivals' implies that he's actually in Luke's league. I don't think anyone's quite in Luke's league. Don't get me wrong; post-NJO Kyp and post-DN Jacen could very possibly stand up to Luke in a duel. But them defeating him is, well, out of the question.
Kyp didn't know how long the Amphistaffs were. He actually got several hits in that would have killed a Slayer if it had been done by Luke's saber, but didn't because his is weaker.
So what? Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon didn't know that Maul had a double-bladed lighstaber, but the former still managed to defeat him. If Kyp is as good as you claim, he should have been able to get past the longer amphistaff of the Slayer and repeatedly slash until its armor was destroyed. And don't try and tell me that their armor is completely lightsaber-proof. With enough strikes in the right area, anything can be broken, and that includes Slayer armor. Granted, Kyp's lightsaber isn't as powerful as Luke's -- props to Skywalker -- but if he's been able to replicate Luke's lightsaber speed, which managed to dazzle Jacen and Jaina.
Like I said, he isn't better then Luke, but he does rival him. If you knew anything about the NJO, you would know that you can't force push a Vong. They are outside of the Jedi spectrum of the force. Only Jacen was able to hurt them with force attacks other then lightning and whatever it was that Luke used against that one Vong. They can't be made to implode or anything like that. Why didn't Kyp use lightning on them? At this point the Jedi were still hesitent to use the Darkside.
If Luke could use a special Force attack to take out a Vong, why couldn't Kyp -- who according to you, is suspected by certain characters to be more powerful than Luke -- do the same? Unless perhaps Luke has greater power and mastery over the Force? But that's impossible. . .
You have no proof that he didn't kill the Leviathan and yet someone, who can't label a liar, says otherwise. We also [b]know that they were considered superweapons by the people defeated the Ancient Sith like Ajunta Pall.You have no basis for Kyp hasving used some special talent to defeat and you can't prove that they were weak because we know that they were designed to take on several Jedi Knights by themself. [/B]
You have no proof that he did kill the Leviathan the way that person said, and so I'll use your little excuse: burden of proof. Since you're trying to force the idea that Kyp completely overpowered and defeated a 30 foot-tall 'superweapon' down my throat, you're going to have to give me actual proof, not some completely unsupported claim. My opinion? Hold off -- meh. Hold on until you have the actual comic before you toss these amazingly absurd assumptions about.