Marvel Hierarchy revised as of December 2005

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No Leo, myself and just about everyone else see the statements in the handbook differently to you but thats cool check out this site for a fair interpretation.

http://www.knightmare6.com

Look up Phoenix 😉

Leo did see it differently however if you read back he says i have backed up my argument well and he conceded over our differenbces on Phoenixes role and importance to Marvel. The only differebce in our opinion now is the religious overtones.

Either way that means youre very much on your own on thi sthread Whirly. You championed the handbook and then when we showed it still supported our interpretations youve resorted to referencing fansites for support.

Sorry mate. Really not good enough. 🙁 😮

You must really be getting tired of this outcome. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Leo did see it differently however if you read back he says i have backed up my argument well and he conceded over our differenbces on Phoenixes role and importance to Marvel. The only differebce in our opinion now is the religious overtones.

Either way that means youre very much on your own on thi sthread Whirly. You championed the handbook and then when we showed it still supported our interpretations youve resorted to referencing fansites for support.

Sorry mate. Really not good enough. 🙁 😮

You must really be getting tired of this outcome. 😄

again that's your interpretaion of what he said. No one actually agrees with your ideas GS. Beyond KMC you're type of ideas are laughed at even more.

like the sites I keep posting 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
again that's your interpretaion of what he said. No one actually agrees with your ideas GS. Beyond KMC you're type of ideas are laughed at even more.

like the sites I keep posting 🙂

If it pleases you to do so then carry on. Its just so amusing that even in my absence you failed to have any impact with your anti phoenix thread.

What started as an attempt to discredit Phoenix merely has reaffirmed in the minds of many posters its role and importance to Marvel.

Carry on if you must but surely it must be ever so frustrating to find that all your efforts at best amount to spam. Youve changed NOT A THING.

No luck with the handbook so youve switched allegiances to fansites? Laughable 😂 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If it pleases you to do so then carry on. Its just so amusing that even in my absence you failed to have any impact with your anti phoenix thread.

What started as an attempt to discredit Phoenix merely has reaffirmed in the minds of many posters its role and importance to Marvel.

Carry on if you must but surely it must be ever so frustrating to find that all your efforts at best amount to spam. Youve changed NOT A THING.

No luck with the handbook so youve switched allegiances to fansites? Laughable 😂 😆

Again you shoot yourself in the foot by stating some posters views are more important than others 😂 When will you realise they are not.

The fansites are based on the handbook they all disagree with you 😉 no biggie.

Methinks though dost protest to much 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Again you shoot yourself in the foot by stating some posters views are more important than others 😂 When will you realise they are not.

Where did i state that? I dont believe i did. Yet more false information. Your credibility is on a downward spiral my friend.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
The fansites are based on the handbook they all disagree with you 😉 no biggie.

Certainly not on the current one and if they are then that doesnt change the fact that its stated in the latest handbook that the Crown is still central to Marvel and that Jean is one with Phoenix. So if these fansites dont accommodate those points in their interpretations then they like you are incorrect. 😄

Poor thing. 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where did i state that? I dont believe i did. Yet more false information. Your credibility is on a downward spiral my friend.

Certainly not on the current one and if they are then that doesnt change the fact that its stated in the latest handbook that the Crown is still central to Marvel and that Jean is one with Phoenix. So if these fansites dont accommodate those points in their interpretations then they like you are incorrect. 😄

Poor thing. 🙁

No false information GS the handbook and the site I quoted disagree with you and agree with me. You post essays etc to disguise the truth as many others see it. You have nothing.

thats OK you're entitled to your opinion even if most people on the web disagree. 😬

sad ❌

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No false information GS the handbook and the site I quoted disagree with you and agree with me. You post essays etc to disguise the truth as many others see it. You have nothing.

thats OK you're entitled to your opinion even if most people on the web disagree. 😬

sad ❌

At the end of the day the handbook states what it states. Its an official marvel source. It says the crown is still central to Marvel and that Jean is one with the Phoenix. That is what ive been saying for the last 6 months and this latest handbook has just reaffirmed that. 🙂

With that in mind any interpretation which doesnt take into consideration those two points (as i have in my interpretation) is far from accurate.

Continue to support your outdated fansites as a desperate measure. As for me im just happy i can turn to the handbooks and the comics where i can find support in abundance. 😱

Thank you

- GS 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At the end of the day the handbook states what it states.

and many think it state something contrary to you which id why you left the forum for a few weeks to come up with a new line of rubbish which sti doesn't fit the handbook in most peoples opinion.

That's OK GS smile 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
and many think it state something contrary to you which id why you left the forum for a few weeks to come up with a new line of rubbish which sti doesn't fit the handbook in most peoples opinion.

That's OK GS smile 🙂

Awwww it must be so infuriating to be faced with the same outcome over and over again. 🙁

The handbook reaffirms what ive been saying for half a year. Any interpretation which doesnt take in what the handbook says about Phoenix is inaccurate im afraid. 😮

Stick to your fansites you'll find no support on panel or on this thread. 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Hardly the case. Anyone with common sense can see that this character is not the supreme being.

So basically SHHHHHH!!! 😉

You mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quality over quantity

😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect

Keep the quaility 😆

Stay Whirly 🤘

Classic

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
You mean Phoenix 😂 its ok I'll shsss I won't tell anyone trust me 😖hifty:

😂 the irony of that statement is lost on none I suspect

Keep the quaility 😆

Stay Whirly 🤘

Classic

Comments from another thread which have no bearing here, especially when they made no mention of Phoenix. 🙄

Desperate measures from a man who has no ground to stand on. 🙁

Im supported by the comics and now the handbooks reaffirmed my comments made over the last 6 months.

Crown: check

Jean = Phoenix: check

Anything interpretation which says otherwise is according to Marvel very much false. I guess thats it for both you and your fansites. 😮

Sorry mate. 😱

i'm curious, whirly: what DO you make of this crown, business? are you saying you don't think the crown and the white hot room are the same thing?

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious, whirly: what DO you make of this crown, business? are you saying you don't think the crown and the white hot room are the same thing?

I think it's all far to ambiguous, to be definate about anything.

As my friend the Bunny indicates.

i agree. i think gs is extrapolating a bit too much. though i admit there have been some overtones, there still has not been a direct mention of a phoenix/toaa, and that is what i would need to see to fully be converted.

what was the whole bunny business? i read some of the thread, but it was too long to read the whole thing. somehow reed set off a big bang without phoenix? is that the gist?

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree. i think gs is extrapolating a bit too much. though i admit there have been some overtones, there still has not been a direct mention of a phoenix/toaa, and that is what i would need to see to fully be converted.

what was the whole bunny business? i read some of the thread, but it was too long to read the whole thing. somehow reed set off a big bang without phoenix? is that the gist?

A big bang was set off yes, probably the Phoenix force did it but it needed to be shaped and Reed and Eternity did that not the force itself. They also made the decisions as to everything that was going to exist, in most people on the webs interpretation.

Then the new bio came out which states clearly where the force draws its power "future generations lifeforce" fact no extrpolation needed.

GS got a cob on and left the forum in a huff for a couple of weeks, I was banned for some shenanigans, so Ill and Demi went off on all sorts of tangents which are extrapolation as far as I can see. Demi less than ill and GS now thinks the 3 of you endorse his wacky theories as fact. 😂

As if any theories beyond what Marvel state in the handbook are fact.

GS though really can't cope with the handbook so he is trying to rewrite and interpret it as he wishes, I think House of M really shows what Marvel itself thinks over the overpowering of mutants. But thats only my interpretation 😖hifty:

GS can't cope with this its a little sad.

the only thing i 'endorse' is that pf is a creation force. i still don't buy the argument that it is a part of 'all life', nor do i necessarily believe if it was banished that all life would end. the goblin force incident still throws a small monkey wrench in that idea, though the excalibre scan seems to support this notion -- except for galactus, who apparently isn't considered a living being despite the way gs interprets that scan!😄

demi seemed to agree with a lot of the things gs has been saying, but he disagreed with gs on the role of jean. i tend to side with demi here. it doesn't quite fit with me that jean and the pf are one and the same enitity. he also argued for a multiversal pf, which i suppose could exist. he and i differed on the ultimate origin of that force. i still don't like the argument that the pf was created before the multiverse in the white hot room and that it in turn started the multiverse. that's just too big aleap for me, and i still like to think it evolved (as the bio says) from the life of the multiverse itself.

meh. i guess we'll never know, and i seriously doubt the people at marvel even REALLY know just what it is.

Originally posted by leonidas
the only thing i 'endorse' is that pf is a creation force. i still don't buy the argument that it is a part of 'all life', nor do i necessarily believe if it was banished that all life would end. the goblin force incident still throws a small monkey wrench in that idea, though the excalibre scan seems to support this notion -- except for galactus, who apparently isn't considered a living being despite the way gs interprets that scan!😄

demi seemed to agree with a lot of the things gs has been saying, but he disagreed with gs on the role of jean. i tend to side with demi here. it doesn't quite fit with me that jean and the pf are one and the same enitity. he also argued for a multiversal pf, which i suppose could exist. he and i differed on the ultimate origin of that force. i still don't like the argument that the pf was created before the multiverse in the white hot room and that it in turn started the multiverse. that's just too big aleap for me, and i still like to think it evolved (as the bio says) from the life of the multiverse itself.

meh. i guess we'll never know, and i seriously doubt the people at marvel even REALLY know just what it is.

I pretty much agree with all you've posted.

GS wants to say his ideas are definitive thats where I diverge and I agree with you I doubt even Marvel really knows 😂 They change everything weekly.

Nice chatting to you we're on at the same time so rarely these days.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I pretty much agree with all you've posted.

GS wants to say his ideas are definitive thats where I diverge and I agree with you I doubt even Marvel really knows 😂 They change everything weekly.

Nice chatting to you we're on at the same time so rarely these days.

it does seem that way, lately. looks like you get stuck on gs's watch! 😂

can't wait to see what he's got to say about all this.

later. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
it does seem that way, lately. looks like you get stuck on gs's watch! 😂

can't wait to see what he's got to say about all this.

later. 😉

agreed 😂 later mate.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
A big bang was set off yes, probably the Phoenix force did it but it needed to be shaped and Reed and Eternity did that not the force itself. They also made the decisions as to everything that was going to exist, in most people on the webs interpretation.

Then the new bio came out which states clearly where the force draws its power "future generations lifeforce" fact no extrpolation needed.

GS got a cob on and left the forum in a huff for a couple of weeks, I was banned for some shenanigans, so Ill and Demi went off on all sorts of tangents which are extrapolation as far as I can see. Demi less than ill and GS now thinks the 3 of you endorse his wacky theories as fact. 😂

As if any theories beyond what Marvel state in the handbook are fact.

GS though really can't cope with the handbook so he is trying to rewrite and interpret it as he wishes, I think House of M really shows what Marvel itself thinks over the overpowering of mutants. But thats only my interpretation 😖hifty:

GS can't cope with this its a little sad.

Leonidas if you want some info on something Phoenix related even if its indirectly Phoenix you should have the common sense not to ask Whirly because you will not get an objective answer.

The ReedForce/Bunny talk on here was the result of a misinterpretation by KG. He read the comic didnt understand it and started spouting off. Whirly (who has made it his personal mission to discredit any notions that Phoenix is anything more than a Galactus level abstract) jumped on the bandwagon as per usual basing his opinion on Kg's words and three out of context scans KG posted. Not the comic book. Just like he admittedly has not read either New X-men, X-men Forever, Endsong or any recent Uncanny issues yet continues to think that between his 1970's knowledge and fansites he knows enough to dismiss any interpretation that doesnt match his own.

I came on to the forum saw the scans and KG's argument and immediately saw holes in it however i said nothing until i had collected the entire story arc myself. I read it and as i thought found KG's interpretation left alot to be desired. I proceded to tear it apart. KG thought that Reed and the Bunny generated the Big Bang and went on to create the Marvel Universe. Hence the ReedForce and Cosmic Bunny talk A foolish notion. I had to relay to them that as stated when Eternity came to sentience in the Void his questions on existence triggerred the Big Bang the manifestation of the Phoenix and the release of the Cosmic egg. Reed and The Bunny travelled back in time prior to this event and they questioned existence. "Why is there life and whats its purpose?" they triggered off the Big Bang in the exact same way Eternity did before their time travelling. The comic went on to say that they could do so because they, like all people, all life are as much a part of the universe as the stars. They were extensions of Eternity. Due to stubborness from KG (who finally thought he'd got me) and Whirly(who realised he had foolishly played part in yet another flop attempt at discreditation) it took a day or so but the matter was cleared up. KG conceded and Whirly went on his usual spamming campaign before things finally settled down.

Then a few weeks later this bio came out. At first read it seemed like there had been a retcon. I skimmed through didnt see any mention of the Crown and to be honest i thought f*ck this nows a good a time as any to catch up with my uni work and i'll come back after a few weeks.

During the weeks i read the bio again properly and then it dawned on me (especially after the release of Off Hbook: Alternate Universes) that this wasnt the sum total of the Phoenix Force but merely its universal manifestation as stated. Thats why there was no mention of the Phoenix stories of New X-men as they took place in another timeline and were thus covered in the AU Handbook. Then on further inspection the Crown was apparently still a central part of Marvel and Phoenix going by its referral in the bio as the "core of creation" and it being linked to Phoenix. Nothing had changed at all. I then read this thread and found that posters like Demi and Ill had come to the same conclusion (minus the religion lol).

So thats the gist of it Leo. As youve seen Whirly has no valid contribution to make hence the trolling. The man admittedly hasnt read the comics but what he has done is take this matter way too personally to be healthy. 🙁

What started off as an old mans spite thread has done nothing but reaffirm the Phoenixes role and position in Marvel. Whirly unfortunately cant take being at the helm of another flop attempt and before he receives a final ban it seems his intentions are to go out with a bang.

Poor guy.🙁

Let the trolling commence. 🙄 😂