Originally posted by WarmongerWhat do you mean?
Actually considering that Imperiex Killed Doomsday with an Energy Blast it looks like Doomsday's powers work by making him resitant to the strentgh of the attack that killed him otherwise Imperix shouln't have been able to kill him again.
And Iceman is not outputting any power near Imperiex level.
Originally posted by Juntai
What do you mean?
Imperiex only attacked him once.
He'd need to attack him again to see if he'd gained immunity, but we'll never know since it can't happen.
It doesn't prove anything.
Try again.And Iceman is not outputting any power near Imperiex level.
Originally posted by Magee
Well considering Doomsday became immune to waveriders energy attacks. According to ur logic Imperiex should not have been able to destroy him with that blast, no?
Doomsday gets hit with with a power for a minute, he becomes immune to it.
This has been portrayed flawlessly through all of his appearances.
That's really what it comes down to. And no one can prove otherwise.
In any case, regardless of how you look at it... he spanks Ice man.
Originally posted by Juntai
[B]Doomsday gets hit with with a power for a minute, he becomes immune to it.
This has been portrayed flawlessly through all of his appearances.
That's really what it comes down to. And no one can prove otherwise.
No, we've all proved it again and again. The most obvious being physical force. It's not like the first time he took a blow he evolved an anti-KE force field, instead he gained a graded defense that later failed when he met Superman.
Your "proof" of "immunity" comes from one-time blows which only portrays resistance. EVERYONE here sees that except you, which is probably why we can't prove otherwise, you're refusing to see the proof right in front of your eyes.
Originally posted by DemasWho has challenged or rather defeated him physically after the Superman fight. .?
No, we've all proved it again and again. The most obvious being physical force. It's not like the first time he took a blow he evolved an anti-KE force field, instead he gained a graded defense that later failed when he met Superman.Your "proof" of "immunity" comes from one-time blows which only portrays resistance. EVERYONE here sees that except you, which is probably why we can't prove otherwise, you're refusing to see the proof right in front of your eyes.
Originally posted by Juntai
But you think Ice man could defeat Doomsday where characters far above and beyond his even comprehension could not just by making him cold?
lol.
Temporarily, quite possibly.
Iceman's an omega class mutant. That roughly means the ability to instantly destroy the planet is in his hands. That's a lot of power. Not even Magneto is on that level... he can, with power boosters, flip the planet's magnetic field, but that's eventual secondary omega-event on the planet via solar winds, environmental destruction, etc. It's not like he can, in one stroke, blow up the planet like an omega-class can.
Or a planet (warworld) buster like Imperiex. Waverider's merely a 2030 century scientist who's best idea was to fetch Superman rather than a magical hero. Despite Superman/Doomsday idolatry, neither have necessarily come against the same specialized and scale of power as an omega-unleashed. Instead, you have Imperiex- planet buster- taking Doomsday out.
In other words, you're using a pitifully small sample of attacks to back up your argument, whereas repeatable instances demonstrate both graded defenses and succumbing to planetary power.
Originally posted by DemasDepends on which Waverider it was, on if it was a 2030 Scientist or not.. He'd become the embodiment of all of his selves in the multiverse and become a master of chronal energy... as such, even a small piece of his being created Extant, who almost destroyed reality himself.
Temporarily, quite possibly.Iceman's an omega class mutant. That roughly means the ability to instantly destroy the planet is in his hands. That's a lot of power. Not even Magneto is on that level... he can, with power boosters, flip the planet's magnetic field, but that's eventual secondary omega-event on the planet via solar winds, environmental destruction, etc. It's not like he can, in one stroke, blow up the planet like an omega-class can.
Or a planet (warworld) buster like Imperiex. Waverider's merely a 2030 century scientist who's best idea was to fetch Superman rather than a magical hero. Despite Superman/Doomsday idolatry, neither have necessarily come against the same specialized and scale of power as an omega-unleashed. Instead, you have Imperiex- planet buster- taking Doomsday out.
In other words, you're using a pitifully small sample of attacks to back up your argument, whereas repeatable instances demonstrate both graded defenses and succumbing to planetary power.
Doomsday is also a planetbuster, but with strength instead of powers. Assuming he can bat around Superman [which he always does.], easily puts him at that level.
Imperiex is NOT a planet buster, he is a UNIVERSE BUSTER. He was packing the energy to destroy and restart the universe. See the level difference?
You also fail to realise that unless it's stated in the thread, current characters are used, and Iceman isn't Omega level anymore, having lost his secondary mutation.
And even if he did have it, it would still be questionable.. Superman's heat vision unleashed could destroy a planet, it doesn't seem to bother Doomsday much.
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Originally posted by Juntai
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Waverider is a being composed of Chronal energy.
He attacked Doomsday, and Doomsday became immune to it, and even backfired it on him.
Imperiex was designed to annihilate reality in it's entirety.
Hard to say it's the same power.
It's not that he gets hit by energy and suddenly he is immune to all and every type of energy. Otherwise he already would be.Doomsday gets hit with with a power for a minute, he becomes immune to it.
This has been portrayed flawlessly through all of his appearances.
That's really what it comes down to. And no one can prove otherwise.In any case, regardless of how you look at it... he spanks Ice man.
Hold it right there. By your logic then if Superman punched him once and he felt it then he would have instantly become immune to his punches? 🤨
Or if Superman fought him for longer than a minute then he would become immune to Superman's attacks? 🤨
I mena you have one example of him adapting aon the fly comapred to every other apperance he has had that shows his need to adapt after he is killed. What kind of sense does that make.
Originally posted by Juntai
Who has challenged or rather defeated him physically after the Superman fight. .?
Is there any evidence of him being defeated physically prior to that..?
That is not the point. The point is that you said that Doomsday quickly adapts to what is attacking him. If that were true then Superman wouldn't ahve been able to kill him because he would have become immune rather quickly to Superman's punchs wich is obviously not the case.
Originally posted by Juntai
OK, but it's been proven since Superman defeated him physically, nothing at all has been able to even come close to harming him in that manner. After fighting the energy being they mentioned in Hunter/Prey, that type no longer worked at all, period. Waveriders Chronal energy? The sonic attacks they tried and he immediately adapted to?You're saying it's a mounted defense.
I'm saying it's been proven time and time again he gains a complete immunity without exception.
If you can prove it isn't, go ahead.
Problem is that you can't prove it either.
Remeber the scientist who created him set Doomsday into aharsh environment. He kept getting killed over and over again by the animals there until he became too strong for them.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Hold it right there. By your logic then if Superman punched him once and he felt it then he would have instantly become immune to his punches? 🤨Or if Superman fought him for longer than a minute then he would become immune to Superman's attacks? 🤨
I mena you have one example of him adapting aon the fly comapred to every other apperance he has had that shows his need to adapt after he is killed. What kind of sense does that make.
Yep. I've been trying to convince him that Doomsday's resistance grows gradually as opposed to immediate immunity to the specific form of attack, but.....well..... 🙄
Originally posted by WarmongerI was speaking of POWERS [which is what is in question, as Iceman won't be attacking physically] when concerning his near immediate adapting. And it has held 100% true.
Hold it right there. By your logic then if Superman punched him once and he felt it then he would have instantly become immune to his punches? 🤨Or if Superman fought him for longer than a minute then he would become immune to Superman's attacks? 🤨
I mena you have one example of him adapting aon the fly comapred to every other apperance he has had that shows his need to adapt after he is killed. What kind of sense does that make.
You'll also do well to read the post you quoted again as you completely misconstrued what I wrote...
I said: "It's not that he gets hit by energy and suddenly he is immune to all and every type of energy. Otherwise he already would be."
You said:"By your logic then if Superman punched him once and he felt it then he would have instantly become immune to his punches"
Originally posted by Juntai
Doomsday gets hit with with a power for a minute, he becomes immune to it.
This has been portrayed flawlessly through all of his appearances.
That's really what it comes down to. And no one can prove otherwise.
So which is it? Super strethng is a power at its base it does the same thing as super cold. It kills by casueing massive celluar damage.
Originally posted by WarmongerA physical hit is much different than say .. . getting your atoms ripped apart by power cosmic.
So which is it? Super strethng is a power at its base it does the same thing as super cold. It kills by casueing massive celluar damage.
For example, it's faily well known that Superman's heat vision is arguably his strongest method of attack when used properly.... His heat vision does nothing at all to Doomsday, then or now, but he punched him to death? lol.
Originally posted by JuntaiYet in his infinite wisdom fetches... Superman, who- according to you- is helpless against Doomsday. This seriously stretches his credibility as imaginative or tactical in the use of his powers.
[B]Depends on which Waverider it was, on if it was a 2030 Scientist or not.. He'd become the embodiment of all of his selves in the multiverse and become a master of chronal energy... as such, even a small piece of his being created Extant, who almost destroyed reality himself.
Doomsday is also a planetbuster, but with strength instead of powers. Assuming he can bat around Superman [which he always does.], easily puts him at that level.
No, Doomsday is not a planet-buster. You're not getting the Omega concept. It means with a single and direct move, one can cause an omega-event that destroys the planet. Gambit, by charging the earth and blowing it up. A Deathstar. Etc.
Extremely powerful individuals can in one move cause a global extinction event... like Magneto flipping the poles while on Kick or some other powerup, or Superman colliding with the Earth repeatedly to cause multiple surface impacts on par with nukes, but these all cause lesser effects that precipitate planet destruction, not instantaneous one-shot planet busting. Superman and Doomsday one-shot destructive capabilities aren't on that scale, period.
Likewise, the SEEN limits of Imperiex's one shot capacity was planet-busting. Just like Superman and Doomsday "pack enough energy to destroy" a planet, it doesn't allow them to do it instantly, similarly, Imperiex has to tromp around the universe to do his work.
It's like calling Galactus a universe threat... potentially, sure, but still goes galaxy to galaxy, planet to planet. The fact that Imperiex had to advance- and get styimed by Earth- similar to Galactus proves his scale far below what you imagined. If his powers as described by you matched his goals as described by the comics, he would have been satisfied to restart the universe at its edge absent interference.
To continue the Galactus analogy, there have been plenty of less-than Omega class mutants/metas that have affected Galactus, just as lesser beings have affected Imperiex. It just goes to show, Doomsday was hardly tested.
You also fail to realise that unless it's stated in the thread, current characters are used, and Iceman isn't Omega level anymore, having lost his secondary mutation.
If that were true this would be your failure a loooong time ago for going along with the thread, frankly stinks of a desperate last chance manuever. Regardless, the OP was phrased as a question with implied conditions on Iceman's abilities.
And even if he did have it, it would still be questionable.. Superman's heat vision unleashed could destroy a planet, it doesn't seem to bother Doomsday much.
Now now, a Superman fan ought to know better. We've seen Kal-El unleash the limits of his heat vision and find himself tapped out on several occasions. It was nowhere NEAR the scale of power necessary for single-shot planet busting. But it does reveal your bias... "Superman is on that scale, thus the monster that killed him must be that much more!"
Originally posted by Juntai
You also fail to realise that unless it's stated in the thread, current characters are used, and Iceman isn't Omega level anymore, having lost his secondary mutation.
pfffffffffffttttttttt, Iceman has been Omega long before he even had the secondary mutation...what are you talking about? In X-men Forever he showed almost all his potential using his powers, was stated to be Omega and that was before his secondary mutation....Xavier marked him as Omega the first time he met him....so I dont really understand where your getting at with this line, cuz the only thing the mutation did was keep him iceman permanatly.....nothing else...it did not enhance anything at all 😉