That again? New material is needed, I sense desperation.I am not desperate for winning some idiotic battle if you assume that (you probably recognise that because that is the case with you), I am defending myself because I choose to do so.
If you wanna tell me where I said this is what I want, then I'll admit to wanting it. I want you to start reading my posts and stop acting stupid, that would be at the top of my wish list right now. Can you do that?I don't care about a wishlist and you keeping to force your view on me and mocking me isn't convincing.
And no, you don't state that you want a battle but you certainly come across as it, don't lie to yourself that you are so innocent with all that calling me out nonsense.
I'm not saying that EVERY single teen always has the 100% presence of mind to stay out of trouble, but what you are proposing is much more unrealistic. 16 year olds aren't "stupid" in the sense that they have absolutely no clue what's going on. Most of the time the dangerous situations they may get themselves into probably comes with curiousity, not the lack of a developed brain.I'm not using anything as an excuse because I stand neutral in this dumb discussion. But it's still rediculous that you expect so much from teenagers going out and following the crowd. And just because one government has certain rules doesn't mean that kids really do realise the small chance of danger involved with something wich seems as normal according to the general opinion of everybody.Either way, you are using that excuse and it's a poor excuse.
For the millionth time: YES, they have that right and going out to have a "good time" is normal. Going out at 16 dressed like a "good time" girl is not, is it? No. Therefore, if you dress in a way that will quite obviously attract the UNwanted attention of men, you have absolutely no right to complain. Precautions, yes? Look at yourself in the mirror and question "Is this sensible?". You don't need to wear a short skirt and have your breasts on display to have a good time.You are greatly exagurating like a small child again. Men get aroused by curves and skin, is that an excuse for pushing it upon women to watch everything they wear?
What are you even talking about?You might want to stop ripping my texts out of context and respond to them appropriately.
You believe that in no circumstance is a female responsible AT ALL for a rape occuring. What more is there to say? You are quite clearly in the wrong.Quite putting words in my mouth to make me look like a fool, it is childish and useless. You keep exagurating everything to get you out of this pointless discussion. Of course there can be situations where men actually get mixed signals and don't get that she actually doesn't want to have intercourse but is that what you want to say? You know damn well that I was speaking generally as paranoid occasions like these rarely happen. But a man just shouldn't stick his dick in a heavily intoxicated girl anyway.
Many people here are making that point and you just continually ignore it because as I have come to discover, you are quite unintelligent.I'll adress this specifically again.
You are, aren't you? Because you're jabbering on about everything and anything except the point at hand. You have been for the past 5 replies more or less.Yeah, I'm making everything up and it was my evil plan all along to annoy you from the second I came in.Making the decision to wear something slutty doesn't mean your brain is undeveloped, it means you're making a stupid decision. Adults make stupid decisions. Humans in general make stupid decisions. It has nothing to do with undeveloped brains. If a girl makes the decision to walk out of her house looking like a sl*t or to a lesser degree, wearing provocative outfits (which everyone here has seemed to grasp, except you) then she cannot deny that it will attract attention. Some men are despicable enough to act on it against her will. Is it her fault that they are like that? No. Did she do all in her power to make sure she isn't inviting it? No.
"Did she do all in her power to make sure she isn't inviting it? No." You keep ignoring my comments that you expect too much of teenagers and that you question that a brain isn't fully developt yet till a certain age has become irrelevant as you ripped it out of context and started using it everywhere.
Should she expect abuse? No. Should she expect that her decision may have negative consequence? Yes.Of course she should expect it, but it's not a perfect world and young people still don't realise the immediate danger wich you stress on with their clothing. I certainly don't expect people who still aren't adult yet to just realise every danger.If I walk down the road wearing a t-shirt that says "I am a racist, homophobic guy who kills people." That's my right to wear that, I'm not hurting anyone. Yet if a guy comes over and beats the shit out of me for it, is he right? No. However, I cannot say "I couldn't have prevented it." I could have. My decision to wear that shirt could have gone unnoticed and I might have been fine. On this day however, I came across a guy dumb enough to act it out. I didn't make any effort to stop this happening and so responsibility partially rests on me. Not for his actions, but for mine. The same applies to rape, believe it or not.
As for your exagurated examples, just stop trying to match that up with this case. It's far from convincing.
Off base? What off base things? If it's off base it's because I've come to drag your illiterate, non-sensical self back to topic. You are the one filling up pages with all this "rage" talk.No, you could have expected that I came to defend myself to all those comment about me not grasping reality and being stupid just because I don't agree with you.
And don't claim that you have been easy on me. You may be anonymous about the actual emotion behind you stories but you come across as frustrated with constantly telling me your opinion about my intelligence
Well then you are as naive as the teens you refer to and your opinion on this matter is of no consequence or use. You're entitled to it, but it doesn't mean much. Your way of thinking is dangerous and wreckless.Yeah, I am so 'wreckless' and dangerous because I defend the action of teenagers like I do.
You act as if I have the ability to change the world with my opinion. My view wich you are very poorly battling isn't dangerous to anyone.
Question: If your daughter was going out of the house wearing provocative clothing to party or club etc, would you not stop her if you had power to? Or at least advise against it? Knowing that there are guys out there who may very well take that the wrong way, and knowing that her choice to dress in such a way is merely increasing the chances of rape or attack?Oh my god! I finally realise it! Those clothing just invites men to rape here and is the absolute decisive cause of the man's decision!Or would you just be of the mentality "Go on, have a good time. You wear what you want. If you get raped, is just the man's fault."?
But seriously.. If that single small factor is the whole foundation of your flawed view and the cause of this pointless discussion then I can only say one word: excuse.
Why else would you change the whole topic of my original argument of discouraging putting any degree of blame on a rape victim to stop the fear of reporting.
yes i reckon 70% of he time, the women that are raped are dressed unapropriatly. men are more likely to go for a woman who has a mini skirt on then for someone who has jeans on. is the woman to blame for wearing a skirt? yes she is partially to blame.will she dress like that again after being raped? i doubt it. i agree with AC that young girls should have the mental capacity to know whatrs right and wrong, but but i doubt they have rape running through there mind just before they go out. they are young and want to have a good time and they are just following the pack. i think the way society promotes sex is disgusting and everyone is mindcontrolled following the 'norms'. yes they should tone down what they wear to help prevent things like rape happening. but there are risks everywhere.
Overlord, you've completely missed my point so many times. I'll no longer indulge you and do you the service of continually explaining it.
You are quite clearly an idiot with zero memory or attention span. I suggest you take leave and leave the discussing to people who know what they're talking about.
-AC
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Isn't dressing, umm, provocatively, going to bar with full of horny men and getting drunk kinda like bathing in blood and going to a shark tank?
You just hit the spot with that comment, I agree completely. Although it pains me to admit it, being rather an attention seeking, provocative young madam myself, I have to say that purposely placing yourself in a compromising position immediately renders you partly responsible for any ensuing occurrences.
As for the rest of you, you're chasing one another in circles 😛
I read the whole thread, AC, I didn't mean for my comment to sound as though I was praising only DC. I saw that you and a few others made the same statement. I simply thought that DC's way of wording it was quite effective, it caught my eye and I decided to quote. Are you going to argue with that?
Apologies if I made you feel as though you were being overlooked, I can assure you this is not the case. I read each and every post you make with unabashed enthusiasm and await your next showing of opinion with baited breath 🙂
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriCare to elaborate instead of attacking me personally?
Overlord, you've completely missed my point so many times. I'll no longer indulge you and do you the service of continually explaining it.You are quite clearly an idiot with zero memory or attention span. I suggest you take leave and leave the discussing to people who know what they're talking about.
-AC
Just let me contribute to a thread like a normal human being, if you don't agree with my message, then respond so respectfully and try to have some constructive criticism. I would appreciate that more and it will help you in convincing people that they're wrong.
Oh yeah, and what was exactly your reason for beginning this? You basically assumed that I thought that women are never to blame wich is flawed thinking on your part.
Originally posted by overlord
Care to elaborate instead of attacking me personally?Just let me contribute to a thread like a normal human being, if you don't agree with my message, then respond so respectfully and try to have some constructive criticism. I would appreciate that more and it will help you in convincing people that they're wrong.
Oh yeah, and what was exactly your reason for beginning this? You basically assumed that I thought that women are never to blame wich is flawed thinking on your part.
I think your opinion is flawed but that's cool you're a new man 😉
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know, I was kidding with the first part. I've become accustomed to you now, Syren.-AC
I tend to grow on people. A little like fungus, I've been told 😕
Overlord, if AC assumed you thought women were never to blame then perhaps you worded something wrong. How about you elaborate for our benefit?
Originally posted by Sir WhirlysplatC'mon.. Nobody even considered putting any thought in my original message wich was "we should discourage putting any degree of blame on girls who were raped because most are too scared or confused to report it anyway"
I think your opinion is flawed but that's cool you're a new man 😉
Do new guys always get questioned so aggressively? 🙁
Originally posted by overlord
Care to elaborate instead of attacking me personally?Just let me contribute to a thread like a normal human being, if you don't agree with my message, then respond so respectfully and try to have some constructive criticism. I would appreciate that more and it will help you in convincing people that they're wrong.
Oh yeah, and what was exactly your reason for beginning this? You basically assumed that I thought that women are never to blame wich is flawed thinking on your part.
Elaborate? If you still don't get what anyone's point is, a few pages in and in spite of the long posts I've made as well as others, then no amount of elaborating will get you to see the point.
You have said MANY times that it's in NO way a woman's fault that a rape occurs and that her actions don't matter, specifically if she's a teen because "teen's brains aren't fully developed". This is BS isn't it? Yes.
I'm not stopping you contributing. If you can't handle the fact that your blinkered and dangerous view is a stupid one, then that's your problem. I'm not saying you can't have that view, I'm just telling you what it is. I don't care if you admit you are wrong or not, you are and anyone operating at any level post-amoebic can see that.
-AC
Calm down AC, try not to be so prejudiced towards me.
Anyway, I said discouraging it, so girls will report more often. That's never a bad thing. I don't think there would ever be many women who abuse this by saving face as it is a too big of taboo anyway and it usually gets found out if they're lying anyway due to their overall persona.