A third of all "Rape" victims had been drinking

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Elaborate? If you still don't get what anyone's point is, a few pages in and in spite of the long posts I've made as well as others, then no amount of elaborating will get you to see the point.

You have said MANY times that it's in NO way a woman's fault that a rape occurs and that her actions don't matter, specifically if she's a teen because "teen's brains aren't fully developed". This is BS isn't it? Yes.

I'm not stopping you contributing. If you can't handle the fact that your blinkered and dangerous view is a stupid one, then that's your problem. I'm not saying you can't have that view, I'm just telling you what it is. I don't care if you admit you are wrong or not, you are and anyone operating at any level post-amoebic can see that.

-AC

I can handle the 'fact' that my view may be so stupid according to you but it's not like that is relevant.

Originally posted by overlord
"This is BS isn't it? Yes." No, you assume that because you don't like me for some reason. Brains really do keep growing even after you're eighteen and isn't fully matured till a certain age.

I can handle the 'fact' that my view may be so stupid according to you but it's not like that is relevant.

what is that certain age 😕 😖hifty:

Originally posted by overlord
"This is BS isn't it? Yes." No, you assume that because you don't like me for some reason. Brains really do keep growing even after you're eighteen and isn't fully matured till a certain age.

I can handle the 'fact' that my view may be so stupid according to you but it's not like that is relevant.

No, it has nothing to do with you personally. I don't know you. It's just your view, it's stupid and dangerous.

"Girls should be able to do what they want, they CAN do what they want." Yes, fair enough. Then they must also respect and accept that their actions may invite negative consequence, hence being partly to blame.

Why are you not getting this?

-AC

No, it has nothing to do with you personally. I don't know you. It's just your view, it's stupid and dangerous.

"Girls should be able to do what they want, they CAN do what they want." Yes, fair enough. Then they must also respect and accept that their actions may invite negative consequence, hence being partly to blame.

Why are you not getting this?

If you don't agree.. Then that is fine.

Originally posted by overlord
For the last time: Why is my view so threatening?

Oh dear, this is worse than I thought. When I say dangerous I don't mean threatening. I mean it's views LIKE your that allow rape to be way more frequent than it should be and views like yours who make rape a crime that is frequently unreported for many reasons.

Would you let your daughter go out dressed provocatively if you knew she'd be getting drunk in an area where rape was possible? You said yes because "it's not like" most men want to rape. This view is dangerous.

Originally posted by overlord
I wouldn't go as far as saying that they can do anything (do not put words in my mouth) but I'm speaking about girls going out to drink like the vague topic was.
If they trust people too much to actually go with them whilst intoxicated to any degree then I say that we shouldn't give them a part in the blame too if she actually gets abused.
I say this because most are too scared and confused to report the abuse and reporting crimes is very important.
From that point it is up to the authority to act and I even believe that only authority should be allowed to question her credibility.

If you don't agree.. Then that is fine.

What the hell, man? How can you sit there and say that a girl going with someone she doesn't trust, WHILE drunk, isn't to blame for it? That's just...well. It's beyond ridiculous now.

Nobody is saying to tell her "It's your fault you were raped!". THIS is what you continually don't get, why are you ignoring it? When I say blame, I don't mean telling the woman it's her fault she was raped. Just that she is to blame for NOT trying to avoid it. Which would subtract credibility from her claim. You say authority are the only ones who can say that the credibility is lacking? Well if you bothered to/had the cranial ability to understand the posts I've made and that others have made, you'd know that this is what everyone is saying. If you don't do anything to prevent rape before hand, whether it happens or not, then you are going to be questioned when you make the claim.

Please, for the love of intellect, understand this.

-AC

"For the love of intellect." 😂

Oh dear, this is worse than I thought. When I say dangerous I don't mean threatening. I mean it's views LIKE your that allow rape to be way more frequent than it should be and views like yours who make rape a crime that is frequently unreported for many reasons.

Would you let your daughter go out dressed provocatively if you knew she'd be getting drunk in an area where rape was possible? You said yes because "it's not like" most men want to rape. This view is dangerous.

But of course clothing is but a very small factor in the decision of commiting the crime and they know full well that that clothing isn't meant invitingly to go against her will or such.

Still.. This means nothing to me being a danger for the world.

What the hell, man? How can you sit there and say that a girl going with someone she doesn't trust, WHILE drunk, isn't to blame for it? That's just...well. It's beyond ridiculous now.

Why do keep on doing that? It's a cheap way of discussing.

Nobody is saying to tell her "It's your fault you were raped!". THIS is what you continually don't get, why are you ignoring it?

You keep trying to enlarge my statements by exagurating and keep assuming stuff about my opinion. If you don't agree, then give feedback appropriately.

Well if you bothered to/had the cranial ability to understand the posts I've made and that others have made, you'd know that this is what everyone is saying. If you don't do anything to prevent rape before hand, whether it happens or not, then you are going to be questioned when you make the claim.

Please, for the love of intellect, understand this.

-AC

And cut the "everybody agrees with me" and the other pointless arrogance you display.

wrap it all up now?

I can't.. Because my view is dangerous and should be discussed to the fullest.

To the outsiders: I discourage putting any blame on a victim because of the lack of reports due to girls being ashamed and confused about what happened.

I'm bad, ain't I? Either way.. I love the warm welcome to this forum.

Originally posted by overlord
You are focusing on the dressing again and assuming that I would let everybody go out dressed as sluts? You apperantly don't want to understand what I'm getting at.
Of course they should be encouraged to wear normal clothing but you can't stop the general media picture and the herd behavior. They are mere teenagers who don't know better and if you think they do it to make men horny then you assume too much again. You keep expecting them to fully recognise every slight danger involved in something as normal as clothing themselves.

But of course clothing is but a very small factor in the decision of commiting the crime and they know full well that that clothing isn't meant invitingly to go against her will or such.

Your name is now Mr. Single-Neuron.

If a girl wears that kind of clothing, REGARDLESS of why she does it, then she has responsibility for the possibility of attractive negative consequence. Do...you...understand...that? This is a fact. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. You are claiming teens have no mental knowledge of what they do OR that they follow the herd. Yes, but they know perfectly well what they are doing a lot of the time. As I said, most younger teens make the wrong choice out of curiousity, not stupidity. They must still accept responsibility.

NOBODY is saying that she is at fault for the RAPIST'S acts, just her own. Please, please read that before you reply. It's a simple request. I'm not going over this with you again.

Originally posted by overlord
Still.. This means nothing to me being a danger for the world. Wow, you have a tendency for putting words in my mouth, don't you? For example.. You take: "If they trust people too much to actually go with them" and change it into "How can you sit there and say that a girl going with someone she doesn't trust, WHILE drunk, isn't to blame for it?"

Why do keep on doing that? It's a cheap way of discussing.

What do you mean why do I keep on doing it? Doing what? You said: "If they trust people too much to actually go with them while intoxicated" and followed it with "We shouldn't give them part of the blame if she gets abused." Of course we should give her blame. Not for the rape, but for doing nothing to prevent it. To which you always retort with "But she's young, she didn't know" yeah? So what? It's still her fault for not being responsible.

Originally posted by overlord
I ignore this dumb nonsense because I know that most people don't blame to that degree but you on the other hand have been ignoring what I constantly make clear: That I feel that girls shouldn't be blamed to any degree because that isn't helpful in the first place and not the general public's business anyway.

Well if she's gonna bring forth a claim that a man raped her and it's not totally concrete, then yes, things are thrown into doubt.

Not blaming girls at all is worse, actually. Because that is what influences girls to cry wolf. They know there are people out there like you who won't blame them no matter what. They know that certain people will ALWAYS back them up, and that's wrong.

Originally posted by overlord
You keep trying to enlarge my statements by exagurating and keep assuming stuff about my opinion. If you don't agree, then give feedback appropriately.

I have. I've been tossing your arguments out the window since I arrived in this thread. I can't account for idiocy though, sorry.

Originally posted by overlord
Yeah, and I don't agree with people questioning just because girls didn't take precautious measures.

Irresponsible and illogical fool then, aren't you? Yes.

Originally posted by overlord
I wish that people will keep their opinions to themselves on girls having some blame too because it contributes to their fears of reporting the rape.

No, not at all. If you are a girl and you don't wanna be raped, don't do anything that might OBVIOUSLY attract adverse attention. Simple as. That way, if you are an unfortunate victim of rape, you need have absolutely no fear about reporting it and bringing the man to justice. You did the right thing. Going out dressed in a way that will undoubtedly attract sexual attention, getting drunk and then subsequently being forced upon, is also unfortunate. But you could have quite possibly prevented that.

Originally posted by overlord
And cut the "everybody agrees with me" and the other pointless arrogance you display.

Oh do stop all that. It's pointless.

Oh, and just because I feel like taking a nailgun to the metaphorical coffin that is your debate:

Originally posted by overlord
To the outsiders: I discourage putting any blame on a victim because of the lack of reports due to girls being ashamed and confused about what happened.

Note the "due to girls being ashamed and CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED" part.

"Oh I dunno if I was raped. But I THINK I was...so best go with that."

Moron.

-AC

This thread is like unnecessary surgery.

Overlord- you feel there should be zero percent blame, correct?

Do you feel girls should be educated about dangers?

If not- dangerous view.

If yes, and in choosing to ignore such advice, you still feel girls are not responsible for their own safety- illogical view.

Here is the crux of the matter- not one single person here is suggesting that one should in any way impart to a girl that it was her fault she was raped. However, there are ways of acting responsibly. If a girl chooses to- or ignorantly- ignore[s] these, and this led in some respect to the rape, then in simple logical terms, she is partially responsible. Plain fact- no morality or anything else involved.

You seem to be saying 'girls are stupid...' then nothing. For some, it might seem that you are indirectly stating that rapes will happen, but as long as we don't blame the victim, then all will be well.

The message I get from your posts is that young girls are irresponsible, they will be raped- don't make it harder for them.

I love it when AC has one of his good days. 🙂

by the way nice mediating post VVD.

It's all for nought though, because Overlord genuinely does not comprehend what we're saying.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's all for nought though, because Overlord genuinely does not comprehend what we're saying.

-AC

I think he comprehends he just doesn't wish to admit the sense in our point of view. He is a proud "new man".

Nope...no I genuinely believe he doesn't get it.

-AC

Your name is now Mr. Single-Neuron.

If a girl wears that kind of clothing, REGARDLESS of why she does it, then she has responsibility for the possibility of attractive negative consequence. Do...you...understand...that? This is a fact. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. You are claiming teens have no mental knowledge of what they do OR that they follow the herd. Yes, this is stupidity. They know perfectly well what they are doing a lot of the time. As I said, most younger teens make the wrong choice out of curiousity, not stupidity. They must still accept responsibility.

NOBODY is saying that she is at fault for the RAPIST'S acts, just her own. Please, please read that before you reply. It's a simple request. I'm not going over this with you again.

You now go as far as saying that a girl should be held responsible for clothing theirselves regardless. Yes, regardless.. No exceptions. Is this what you really mean? If not. Then you should try to explain your point more calmly.

"NOBODY is saying that she is at fault for the RAPIST'S acts, just her own. Please, please read that before you reply. It's a simple request."
Stop exagurating like a little child, I have adressed this assumption of yours appropriately and more then once.

What do you mean why do I keep on doing it? Doing what? You said: "If they trust people too much to actually go with them while intoxicated" and followed it with "We shouldn't give them part of the blame if she gets abused." Of course we should give her blame. Not for the rape, but for doing nothing to prevent it. To which you always retort with "But she's young, she didn't know" yeah? So what? It's still her fault for not being responsible.

And yeah, she's young so you can't expect them to realise every danger involved with clothing oh so provocatively wich you keep falling on to although it's not far from a decisive factor in the decision of commiting the crime.

Well if she's gonna bring forth a claim that a man raped her and it's not totally concrete, then yes, things are thrown into doubt.

Not blaming girls at all is worse, actually. Because that is what influences girls to cry wolf. They know there are people out there like you who won't blame them no matter what. They know that certain people will ALWAYS back them up, and that's wrong.

I still feel that its wisest to only let the recognised authorities judge and that the public shouldn't mention partial blame with a girl in any case because this only contributes to the countless harrassing and rape issues wich are not reported.

I have. I've been tossing your arguments out the window since I arrived in this thread. I can't account for idiocy though, sorry.

Irresponsible and illogical fool then, aren't you? Yes.

No, not at all. If you are a girl and you don't wanna be raped, don't do anything that might OBVIOUSLY attract adverse attention. Simple as. That way, if you are an unfortunate victim of rape, you need have absolutely no fear about reporting it and bringing the man to justice. You did the right thing. Going out dressed in a way that will undoubtedly attract sexual attention, getting drunk and then subsequently being forced upon, is also unfortunate. But you could have quite possibly prevented that.

It's not as obvious that they will get raped as you make it sound in this dumb debate and it all still doesn't change that not every teen realises the (immediate!) dangers of going out.

Shut up.

-AC

But, anyway.. Don't dissaprove me defending myself in all ways possible. I am far from amused by the cocky comments that slip through in your attempts at explaining your opinion.

Actually too depressingly funny, the sheer lack of intelligence and understanding in your posts.

All you are doing it just misunderstanding (I can't work out whether it's unintentional or not) everyone's posts and posting dangerous and irresponsible opinions in return, in hope that they counter the FACTS that are being produced to you from myself, Victor and others.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's all for nought though, because Overlord genuinely does not comprehend what we're saying.

-AC

I see you changed your comments again btw.. I will adress them too to analyse your points in them.

Oh do stop all that. It's pointless.

Oh, and just because I feel like taking a nailgun to the metaphorical coffin that is your debate:

And don't blame me for responding to your attacks.[/quote]Note the "due to girls being ashamed and CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED" part.

"Oh I dunno if I was raped. But I THINK I was...so best go with that."

Moron.

-AC[/quote]You have indeed became the girls in question, haven't you? You now expect them to be crystal clear about what happened. In case you didn't know: a lot indeed blame theirselves for everything but I'm sure I don't need to explain that to you.

[/i]Originally posted by Victor Von Doom:[/i]
The message I get from your posts is that young girls are irresponsible, they will be raped- don't make it harder for them.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Actually too depressingly funny, the sheer lack of intelligence and understanding in your posts.

All you are doing it just misunderstanding (I can't work out whether it's unintentional or not) everyone's posts and posting dangerous and irresponsible opinions in return, in hope that they counter the FACTS that are being produced to you from myself, Victor and others.

-AC

But I don't mean it as bad as you think, please go back and try to comprehend what I originally said.

Originally posted by overlord
If you indeed have a point then you should perhaps state it more calmly and stop making yourself look rediculous.

🙂 ironic and i'm Dyslexic