Spectre runs loose in the MU

Lt was not clearly above the IG. There was nothing on panel that confirmed that. Adam Warlock let out a power blast and LT cancelled out its effects on his person. Something Dr Strange did repeatedly in a confrontation with Adam W with the IG.

LT went on to say he didnt know whether he had the power to stand up against Adam Warlock with the IG. He then went on to persuade AW to give up his power rather than forcing him to find out which would result in the destruction of the universe anyway. Not conclusive im afraid.

He said his masters power was beyond the IG. He was unsure about where how his own power would fare. Thats a fact.

Going by his on panel feats its certainly doesnt stand to reason that he is more powerful than the IG.

I need only point out how LT performed against Korvac who merely had the assembled power of half a dozen of the universes cosmic entities(Less than IG). His judgement was shrugged off and he sealed off that universe and fled.

He did the same thing when he had to deal with the Star Brand.

Im sorry but its not conclusive that hes beyond the IG, its not even apparent from his appearances.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
He just posts a lot of supposition and hope people don't see how tenuous his ideas are KK in my opinion. He hates people like Beyonder, you ans I who see through it I think.

You havent bothered to read my post and are making assumptions.

Silly silly. 🙁

The whole point of my argument is that in both cases the links to God arent canon. So that renders your post somewhat irrelevant im afraid.

As is ever the case 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lt was not clearly above the IG. There was nothing on panel that confirmed that. Adam Warlock let out a power blast and LT cancelled out its effects on his person. Something Dr Strange did repeatedly in a confrontation with Adam W with the IG.

LT went on to say he didnt know whether he had the power to stand up against Adam Warlock with the IG. He then went on to persuade AW to give up his power rather than forcing him to find out which would result in the destruction of the universe anyway. Not conclusive im afraid.

He said his masters power was beyond the IG. He was unsure about where how his own power would fare. Thats a fact.

Going by his on panel feats its certainly doesnt stand to reason that he is more powerful than the IG.

I need only point out how LT performed against Korvac who merely had the assembled power of half a dozen of the universes cosmic entities(Less than IG). His judgement was shrugged off and he sealed off that universe and fled.

He did the same thing when he had to deal with the Star Brand.

Im sorry but its not conclusive that hes beyond the IG, its not even apparent from his appearances.

The L.T's a bit of a jobber isn't he ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
The L.T's a bit of a jobber isn't he ?

Thats what im trying to say. 🙁

Based on those few vague lines and his role you really cant make a case for him being servant to the supreme being. Not when powers beyond the IG and Eternity have appeared since then and, not with the number of occassions his judgements have been overturned or shrugged off.

Phoenix has a better case for being linked with God but i'll gladly say that thats not canon until its stated. It just amazes me that the same people who dismissed my decently supported connection theory can happily accept an LT god connection with little to no on panel evidence. It has to work both ways.

The highest order of angels, the seraphim reside in the Crown. (Seraphim comes from Seraph which means to consume with fire). The seraphim are traditionally represented as fire emblazoned humans with wings. They are the beings closest to god, but they are also gods favoured agents, those sent to cleanse the creation with the fire of purification,to burn away false doctrine

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She is presented as an archangel of the Crown who burns away all false doctrine, lies and deceit, all that doesnt work, that which isnt needed:

There ya go. Far better case. Need i post scans of a Dark Phoenix entity being formed out of the Source?

The Source itself as stated was just the energies of the Big Bang.

By real life principles the Big Bang represents the Crown, just like Phoenix represents the Crown in the comics and what does Phoenix manifest as?

Loads of parallels drawn and links suggested however its not stated so its not canon. I can accept that with Phoenix as at the end of the day it still has an integral role in Marvel creation regardless. With no conclusive evidence for LT people need to start doing the same.

If it makes you feel better GS, I accept your theory. 🙁

Originally posted by The Ion
If it makes you feel better GS, I accept your theory. 🙁

Long pigs arse to dirty for you ?

Originally posted by The Ion
If it makes you feel better GS, I accept your theory. 🙁

LOL. Well thank you. Even though my theory is heavily suggested, its not canon (well the God connection part the rest is cool lol) until its stated. Thats cool i can accept that. 😉

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Long pigs arse to dirty for you ?

Youre really the last person around these parts who should be insulting about ass licking. 😉

Anyway, there was no need for that.

Everything was cool up until then.

Lets keep this thread clean. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre really the last person around these parts who should be insulting about ass licking. 😉

Anyway, there was no need for that.

Everything was cool up until then.

Lets keep this thread clean. 🙂

awwwwww .... he knows im joking .... god !!!!!! leave your sense of humour behind with youre transplanted liver ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
Long pigs arse to dirty for you ?

Originally posted by Fishy 500
awwwwww .... he knows im joking .... god !!!!!! leave your sense of humour behind with youre transplanted liver ?

Youve been silent up till now. What are your thoughts on this tangent we've gone off on? Do u agree that theres nothing conclusive to say that LTS's a servant of the supreme being? While i know the Phoenix/God stuff isnt official you must agree that its been heavily suggested? 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Lt was not clearly above the IG. There was nothing on panel that confirmed that. Adam Warlock let out a power blast and LT cancelled out its effects on his person.

Yeah, it confirmed that the struggle could wreck the cosmos. It also showed that Warlock never had the power to harm LT, only everyone else at present. LT was always Warlock's superior while Warlock couldn't do a thing to LT or reverse anything LT did.

Something Dr Strange did repeatedly in a confrontation with Adam W with the IG.

Warlock went easy on him. Even then Strange was pulling talismans after talismans to counter. Even when he canceled Nebula's wish, Nebula was inexperienced at using the IG; she even later was having a hard time with the deities and her inexperience was the reason given by the deities.

Your silly if you really think LT canceling Warlock's attack on the court with a snap of the finger is something in the same league as what Strange did against an inexperienced Nebula or Warlock. Eternity, Galactus, and the others were getting stomped and LT restored order - the deities were in perfect shape as they were when the trial began. Strange isn't stopping that Warlock when Eternity and Galactus couldn't.

Strange was taking orders from Warlock and hidding from Thanos w/ the IG. Helping Warlock gather a team to counter Thanos. Against Strange, Warlock could've erased Strange from existence any time he wanted - to think he couldn't would be silly.

LT went on to say he didnt know whether he had the power to stand up against Adam Warlock with the IG. He then went on to persuade AW to give up his power rather than forcing him to find out which would result in the destruction of the universe anyway. Not conclusive im afraid.

He said that and then in the IG and IW showed LT being above the IG and could rule against it's use and even cancel it's powers. Eternity asked LT to intervene during IG. When Warlock had it, again Eternity asked no other than LT. Warlock's rampage affected everyone except LT who casually canceled and restored everyone back to the way they were. In IW, even with all the Cosmic Cubes he had, Magus opted to get LT to reverse his ruling of the IG. The IG has never been shown to affect LT or reverse anything LT has done.

He said his masters power was beyond the IG. He was unsure about where how his own power would fare. Thats a fact.

Right, and then Warlock's rampage was stopped. And then his ruling prevented the Gems unison. And every other before and after showed LT as being above the IG.

Going by his on panel feats its certainly doesnt stand to reason that he is more powerful than the IG.

Feats? Where he ruled against Warlock. And then LT reason with Warlock saying something along the lines of "power and responsibility." Hoggoth and Oshtur said the same line to Agamotto and reasoned with him over his fight with Galactus. That doesn't mean they both (each his equal) would have a problem at stopping Agamotto if they had to.

I need only point out how LT performed against Korvac who merely had the assembled power of half a dozen of the universes cosmic entities(Less than IG). His judgement was shrugged off and he sealed off that universe and fled.

I'll also remind you of Jean going Jgg, Jgg after Magneto owned her. Where was the ressurection then? Life and rebirth?

[quote
He did the same thing when he had to deal with the Star Brand.[/quote]

And what was that? Did the Star Brand beat him? He prevented others from using it.

Im sorry but its not conclusive that hes beyond the IG, its not even apparent from his appearances.

Yeah, and where did you get it from? Was it when Eternity asked LT to stop Thanos? When Eternity then asked him to stop Warlock? When LT was not affected by Warlock's assault on the court? Or when Warlock was shocked that LT restored order with a snap of the finger? Is it when LT canceled and prevented the IG from working together. Maybe it's when Magus had about six Cosmic Cubes and yet still needed LT to reverse his ruling so Magus could attain a working IG?

IG has never had an affect on LT - while LT has stopped and even prevented the IG from working.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youve been silent up till now. What are your thoughts on this tangent we've gone off on? Do u agree that theres nothing conclusive to say that LTS's a servant of the supreme being? While i know the Phoenix/God stuff isnt official you must agree that its been heavily suggested? 🙁

I agree ... those pics from the Infinity thingy say nothing about, him working for God or the T.O.A.A.

IMO the name TOAA was derived from the celestial who is also known as the TOAA.

Its probably one of those forum Chinese whispers scenario's, where someone mentions it, and then everyone eventually starts believing it.

E.G. Sentry beating Galactus !

In other words i think you're right !

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LOL. Well thank you. Even though my theory is heavily suggested, its not canon (well the God connection part the rest is cool lol) until its stated. Thats cool i can accept that. 😉

🙂

i should read the comics were Warlock meats the LT to see exactly what he says.

Originally posted by Beyonder

Yeah, and where did you get it from? Was it when Eternity asked LT to stop Thanos? When Eternity then asked him to stop Warlock? When LT was not affected by Warlock's assault on the court? Or when Warlock was shocked that LT restored order with a snap of the finger? Is it when LT canceled and prevented the IG from working together. Maybe it's when Magus had about six Cosmic Cubes and yet still needed LT to reverse his ruling so Magus could attain a working IG?

IG has never had an affect on LT - while LT has stopped and even prevented the IG from working.

Again i dont need to reply to all of this because you have provided nothing conclusive at all or refernced no on panel evidence which conclusively says or shows that Lt serves the supreme being or that LT is above the IG himself.

At the end of the day, yes LT restored order but thats nothing conclusive because as aforementioned Dr Strange has countered the IG's attacks before. You cant just dismiss that feat as Adam going easy on Dr Strange because we know for a fact that the IG has the power to destroy Eternity and the other abstracts yet it didnt. Why? Because it was just a display of anger, he wasnt unleashing the full power of the IG or they would have died in the seconds it took for LT to shut off the power surge.

So LT restoring order with a snap of his fingers isnt conclusive evidence that hes more powerful than the IG. All that showed is that he can counter its power alot easier than Dr S with his artifacts but then thats to be expected. 😉

If Adam intended to kill them he would have done. He to wasnt unleashing his full power in that scene so saying Adam was going easy on Dr S is a moot point.

Lt wasnt shown or stated to be more powerful. He stated that his master was more powerful, he then went on to say he didnt know how his power would fare and not wanting to find out he persuaded Adam to give up for the sake of the universe.

Sorry mate not good enough.

What does Jggg have to do with anything? Phoenix has multiple high end feats to choose from so thats a moot point.

The purpose of me highlighting those low showings of LT was to say that not only did LT say he didnt know how he'd do against the IG but his track record means it doesnt stand to reason that he'd be more powerful than the IG. Hes been thwarted by forces less powerful than it and hes done nothing to show conclusively that hes more powerful than it.

As for the StarBrand, it wasnt a multiversal power. Where did u get that from? It was a power that wasnt accounted for in the multiverse as stated in Quasar 57 i believe. (But obviously its apart of Marvels megaverse which is slightly different.) Either way he sealed it off and left. So its not a feat for him, it just shows that hes not supreme within Marvel creation.

Sorry B

Originally posted by Mider
i should read the comics were Warlock meats the LT to see exactly what he says.

Ive posted the scans already.