We don't know if Qui-Gon became a Force Ghost. All we know is he learned something from the Whills and his spirit found its way back.
Sidious didn't use them because of one reason:
He didn't need them. Moreover, we know Kun needed it because until he put the thing on, he was about to be munched by the Leviathan
That's called becoming a 'ghost' Lightsnake. How else would he have retained his identity after becoming one with the Force?
And Kun may or may not have needed the amulet. Fact is, he'd only just awakened himself to the Dark Side, and his anger 'doubled the power of the amulet'. The item strengthened him, yes, but did so by rechanneling his own power. Technically, he strengthened it.
Also Lightsnake, that arguement about Sidious not using the amulets because he didn't need to is somewhat dumb to be frank with you. If he had them and did not use them then he is missing several brain cells because why would you not make it easier to use the force, especially when you know you are in battle. Again, I have said this before, but I do not need a car to go to school, I can walk, but it is easier to use the car. Same thing here. Either Sidious was stupid in not using the amulets, or he did not have them
Lightsnake, don't tell other members that are senior to you what to do when they're breaking no rules.
1) grim·ace n.
A sharp contortion of the face expressive of pain, contempt, or disgust.
Dooku grimaced in his AOTC duels against Obi-Wan and Anakin. Mace grimaced when blocking the blaster shots of Jango fett.
What you're saying is that by pulling his lips back, Kun proved he was in a stalemate. You're ridiculous.
I'll reiterate: Prove that it was a stalemate. You can't, because it wasn't. Indeed, how can it be a stalemate when Kun was toying with him the entire time?
2) I'm not sure what Exar Kun's physical appearance has to do with anything other than you enjoy using it to mock him.
Odd, when you're a fanboy of leatherface Sidious.
And you're skirting the issue yet again. For the final time,
Prove. That. Preparation. Is. Necessary.
And
Prove. That. Vodo. Gave. Up.
Oh, I note how you apparently aren't embarassed by your previous, ridiculous request and outright ignored the fact that you made it. Asking me to prove a negative? I laughed out loud when I saw that.
3) Source that, won't you? I'm not going to believe the word of a proven liar. This is, of course, beside the fact that every alternative you've offered has been shot down.
You didn't answer the "comparative weakling" point either. I'll note that.
4) Lightsnake, I'm a follower of an idea called logic. Logic would indicate that the war against the Sith continued past the events described in FotSE, especially since FotSE was concerned primarily with Naga Sadow.
That plus I highly doubt that ancient and wise Jedi masters like to puff up their own reputations to impress alien women. This is beside the point that the Great Hyperspace War lasted many years.
"In the days of the fall of the Sith Empire, I myself became adept at such powers. That was when we fought the last of the Dark Lords... (emphasis mine) When the Jedi and the Republic drove the Sith to extinction (emphasis his)."
I'd advise you to work on your reading comprehension.
5) Scans or it didn't happen. This is not to mention that "near death" is a rather vague term. I'd put Yoda at "near death" relative to his lifespan throughout the entire PT. Hell, Dooku's "near death" relative to his throughout it as well.
6) And yes, the "trump card" (a term you use to muddy the waters and try to make one's win illegitimate) he used was slicing off Anakin's arm at the elbow.
7) I'd say that reflects poorly on the apprentices Arca taught, not on Kun himself. Vodo, being older, wiser, and more powerful than Arca, doesn't show such colossal errors in judgement.
8) Uh, right. I'll scan the panel when I get back to my dorm tomorrow, it's a giant Massassi he's speaking to. Big and red just like the rest of them. It sure as hell isn't a "night beast." Good to know you're still trying to lie, though.
And please, if you want to quote him, quote accurately. I don't even have the comics on hand today and I know that's not precisely what he said.
Anyway, he had other plans, seems to get a new idea, and has all the massassi gather for him. This would include the one he previously ordered into the isolation chambers.
9) Nomi only showed herself capable of "finishing" an Ulic Qel-Droma overcome by grief after just slaying his brother.
Anyway, Vodo is clearly shown doing battle during the Coruscant battle. Scans will come tomorrow, I suggest you retract your point before you get slapped with them.
10) He "just blasted" the hulking monstrosity that wanted to eat him. And your claim that he simply wouldn't do it is ridiculous. Every technique in his arsenal is open for use in a fight.
I could be like you and claim Sidious simply doesn't use lightning unless he's disarmed or knocked on his ass. Such would be ridiculous, just like your point.
Here you go. Work on your reading comprehension, by the way.
11) Source it, and I'll just show how it's irrelevant. Here, from Faunus:
He might have, while using a single saber. But with his modified weapon, I'd say he used a modified form, one to suit his new lightsaber requirements. He might have used something of Djem So and Makashi here, judging by some of his hammer strikes, but I'd hazard a guess that he simply blended a number of forms to create his own, like Mace, or Darth Vader.
From Janus:
Makashi is a refinement of saber to saber fighting, and is best shown in Dooku's fencing like approach. Kun does not fence. His style is best described as 'unique', and the only ones who were alive to witness it didn't last long.
From me:
There's actually nothing in the comic stating that Kun uses Makashi (forms weren't invented at the time it was written). And he still uses some hammer strikes even with a single blade (indicating that he doesn't use Makashi, described as a fencing form).That being said, I'd say it's impossible to use Makashi with a short-hilted double-blade.
Collective QED.
12) 😆 Yes, lack of CGI is the reason Luke's an incompetant moron with a lightsaber! It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he's been a farmboy for twenty years and has maybe weeks of training with the weapon, in comparison to the years of training the PT Jedi had. LUKE MUST BE UBER, LORD LIGHTSNAKE DECLARES IT!
And it's hard to characterize Kun's stalemate against Ulic at the end of DLotS as a failure given that 1) the fight was interrupted, 2) Kun didn't invent his double-blade yet, 3) the narration only describes it as a lightsaber stalemate, not one between force power, which I submit that Kun would win given that Ulic has never shown himself to even use Sith magic.
13) It's a deadly sith technique... that a farm boy could use against gamorreans? Wow. Oh no, that can't be simple telekinesis applied to someone's neck! That would be too simple!
14) Uh, you realize that Nadd had scrolls from Sadow, right? I never claimed Nadd was the author. They were from the Ancient Sith, and ergo add to Kun's trove of knowledge. And there is no proof that Nadd killed Sadow, by the way. Such is speculative.
15) Kun did the equivalent to firing a gun? Alright. I'd say it's more like a cannon, but whatever. How does this make it any less deadly or impressive considering he does it with minimal effort and no charge-up or warm-up time? And it's more accurate to say that Kun was a dead man before he embraced the Dark Side. That's the entire story of his conversion, come to think of it.
I think my colleagues have answered your ridiculous artifact point quite nicely. If he had them and didn't use them, he was an idiot. If he had them and used them, well, your point collapses. That phenomenon has ceased to be a novelty.
Name one thing that Sidious can do to rival Exar Kun: The freezing of the entire Senate including guards (does not the republic have multiple millions of member worlds?), instakilling a Jedi Master who, despite being a master of blocking Sith Lords from the force, couldn't do it against him, toying with and pwning the Yoda of his time in a lightsaber duel, shooting massive blasts from his hands (yes, hands, he has a new amulet in The Sith War on his right that he most likely built) that rip through everything they come into contact with, etc.
I'd say the fact that Kun so casually sacrificed Naga Sadow's ship, by the way, indicates that he had the means and knowledge to produce another one. And you can't prove that his knowledge stops at Sadow either (as if learning everything that the 2nd most powerful Sith Lord of the Golden Age ever wrote down was a strike against Kun), since he's learned both from Nadd's tomb and a relatively-unplundered Korriban itself.
In the time it takes Sidious to but conjure up the beginnings of a force storm he won't have a torso anymore. Or maybe Kun will take it up close and simply lop off his head. Hell, if a farmboy can take his hand, Kun can certainly do better.
And still no mention how Ood Bnar was stationary and had spent the last 4000 years isolated and alone, and how he declared that combat wasn't his skill even before rooting himself to that spot. Ooh, great accomplishment there.
Read TOTJ again (and I really suggest you do, you're quite deluded) and tell me how Sidious stands a chance in hell. A man who has his ass handed to him by Mace Windu in a lightsaber duel is going to get slaughtered by Exar Kun. A man who has his own force technique pushed on him by someone so relatively untrained as Luke Skywalker is going to be hard pressed to destroy a prodigy like Exar Kun, a man who toyed with centuries-old Jedi.
Lying fanboys can't save Sidious.
hahaha, this is funny. lightsnake loses in proving NJO luke is stronger than ragnos, DE sidious as welll he fails, and now this xD hmmm lightsnake learn to respect the ancients and stop looking at long desrciptions of how sidious and luke pwn, yes they're good, but just because they have much more info bout them, doesnt make them stronger that kun or ragnos
1. what do you call two panels of being locked together, with teeth gritteed BEFORE stepping back and pulling out a trump?
2. Prove that it's necessary? Fine: The NEw Rebellion, second to last chapter. We see Luke prepare for death to become a Force Ghost. Just before Kueller is about to strike him down. Give or take a chapter, but I digress. Come on, how isn;t it necessary when every last one who vanishes is shown to prepare for death.
Vodo: You and I will fight again, maybe not for a long time
Is Vodo so abysmally stupid he thinks Kun isn't going to kill him there? because 4000 years later! "You are defeated at last!"
I'm not saying he threw the entire fight, that would be idiotic: Just that he gave up when it was clear he couldn't win and knew he had more part to play when he was dead
3. Yeah, you keep whining about so called lies...I admitted I was wrong about the entirety of the Massassi being destroyed...of course if we're playing the 'wrong info= lying game' I guess you'd better prove up on Vodo being grandmaster of the order
4. You mean when the Tetans themselves did the genocide and the ENTIRE SITH FLEET WAS EXTERMINATED! We saw ODan fight the Hyperspace war and he did nothing but cry over Ooroo.
5. Fine, I'll withdraw the point due to lack of being able to scan the damn thing.
6. A trump card would be if he yanked out another saber and used it to cut Anakin's arm.
7. Yes, Vodo only decides the following: Yanks away any Sith teachings on Exar, KNOWING he's more curious. Shrugs off the fact Exar just used the dark side, decides to teach Exar violence is bad by beating the hell out of him, knows Exar is behind everything and keeps this info to himself....Decides he 'needs to deal with it on his own' when he and Nomi know that damn wall of light thing...might be a BIT useful...
8. http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Kalgrath
He was mutated in the Massassi isolation chamber. And honestly? He's reading the scrolls, says he can survive, directs Kalgrath to the isolation chamber, says 'maybe he won't fail' etc etc...then says to gather all the Massassi.
9. She'd showed herself capable of restraining him before, as well as showing herself to be the only one capable of defeating Aleema's illusions. She was also described to wield her saber with the skill of a master following Andur's death if my memory serves.
10. His life was in danger, he'd just been tossed the amulets...and Kyp Durron and the padawans killed one in Leviathan as well. When did he use it against Vodo? Or Ulic? Hell, he only fired a blast strong enough to drive Aleema into unconsciousness...it's clear he wanted to kill her when he arrived. We know the flesh on his hand was hideously burned by the power...and considering in DE Sidious fries Leia when she tries to attack him and in Empire Betrayal fries a huge squad of stormies when they blast his drink...And he certainly doesn't need lightning to finish Kun. Kun decided he didn't want to face Sylvar either and had Kalgrath deal with her.
11. Great for them
12. Who said Luke was uber? Just that he obviously didn't suck.
13. Luke also mentions Sith techniques of the sort in NJO...Mara suggests Corran try one on Kyp at one point.
14. NEC states directly Nadd killed Naga. I can provide quote and page number. And Kun's knowledge was limited to Sadow, like I said.
15. So he didn't use them. Point? We know he drained the energy from a Sith holocron already and an idiot from not using them? Having something and not using it when you're already strong enough to wipe out FLEETS...
16. ODan capable of blocking Sith Lords from the Force? Which is why Kun was left broken and desolate? He froze the Senate? Good for him: we know Sidious drained the life from Byss. And Sadow the SECOND most powerful Sith of the Golden Age? He already showed himself an equal of Ludo and I'd put Simus, Adas, Tulak....that gang well above him.
17. Ahhh, here we go...no mention of how strong Luke proved himself in DE....no mention of how Sidious just conjured up the damn force storm when he wanted to. No mention of how the lightning Sidious used to wipe out a squadron of soldiers was instantaneous. And a man who lost to Mace Windu, described as one of the greatest saber duelists the saber ever produced?
We've seen Sidious destroy fleets and drain people, we've seen him obliterate squadrons of soldiers and never sweat. We've seen him take bodies and keep power as a spirit. Kun's entire lightsaber career consists of four fights:
badmouthing Sylvar.
Brekaing Vodo's stick
Stalemating Ulic
Killing Vodo.
And we never saw Vodo show himself adept in combat any way. We saw him fight twice: Once he lost to a Padawan and at another point he died to a Sith Lord. We've seen the Ancients decide to HELP Sidious, we know they tught Sidious their darkest secrets, we know he unlocked secrets of the Jedi from ancient holocrons, and Sith holocrons dating back to the ancients. If Kun was capable of killing people with waves of his hand, he wouldn't have needed his brainwashed assassins, he'd never have needed to duel Ulic and Vodo, when he saw Sylvar killing his men before he had her dealt with, he could have done for her himself. And oh, yes, no mention to how Ood's final transformation was a natural state in a Neti's life and he was drawing up energy from the core of Ossus itself to fight Sedriss
When Kun destroys a fleet-and if he could, he wouldn't have been screaming in the dark at the end- then perhaps he can measure up
http://domuspublica.net/index.php/Something%20Wicked%20This%20Way%20Comes%20I
I advise reading this.
Dark Empire Sourcebook mentions that after becoming Galactic Emperor he "gathered the greatest works of knowledge from over a million worlds" and "studied the Force in all its guises throughout the galaxy, whether it was the shamanism of the Jarvashqiine or the tales of the Tyia," to the point that "he had long ago gone beyond any knowledge to be found in the recovered teachings of the Krath or the Heresiarchs." In The New Essential Guide to Characters, the scribe writes that "Palpatine was known to have studied {the Sorcerers of Tund} prior to their destruction." In Revenge of the Sith it is said that "wherever darkness dwelled, the shadow {Sidious} could send perception"; his own Sith Apprentice, Darth Tyranus, described him as "an event horizon," "absolute, perfect nothingness," "darkness beyond darkness," and "a black hole of the Force." Elsewhere the scribe mentions that he had possession of a Sith holocron, which one Apprentice used to create "Sith speeders, probe droids, and a double-bladed lightsaber"; he obtained still more "restricted holocrons" which contained "the deepest secrets of the greatest Masters of the Force" from the Jedi Temple after it was sacked by his newest Apprentice, Darth Vader, and several brigades of clone storm troopers in Revenge of the Sith; of these, Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary says were included "the only known Sith Holocrons, whose very existence is revealed only to a handful of Jedi at the highest levels," which "infernal devices contain teachings of powerful evil" (interestingly, it seems that Sidious was reluctant to share the secrets of the Sith with his Apprentice, Darth Tyranus; Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary notes that "after he left the Jedi Order, Dooku was no longer able to use the Sith Holocron in the Archives," but rather than supplying him with one of his own Sith holocrons, Sidious supplied Tyranus instead with "holographic cells containing mystic teachings of shadowy power"😉. Finally, after the Great Jedi Purge, his agents captured the very old and very wise Master Jedi Ashka Boda, who had in his possession a particularly valuable 600-year-old holocron created Master Jedi Bodo Baas (a descendent of Master Jedi Vodo-Siosk Baas, the Adegan teacher of the infamous Exar Kun, Qel-Droma's Dark Lord of the Sith), according to the Dark Empire Sourcebook.
Sidious's mastery of the Force was both prodigious and extraordinary, to the point that the Dark Empire Sourcebook states that he "has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines" and that "it is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure." In Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, it is said that Sidious's "command of the dark side" was "sufficient to cloak {the Sith Lords} from being sensed by their enemies" when standing just outside the Jedi Temple, or even when face to face with the Jedi High Council, a talent Labyrinth of Evil subsequently identified as "the Quey'tek technique for hiding oneself in the Force." In Episode I Journal: Darth Maul, he demonstrated the ability to "move faster than {Darth Maul's} eye can follow," and wielded a lightsaber with such precision that he traced Maul's outline with its blade so closely that "one flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle" would have killed him; it seems that this ability is only effective in short bursts, as his Force-enhanced speed, agility, and strength in his duel with the four Jedi Masters in his private office in the Senate Office Building in Revenge of the Sith did not demonstrate quite this level of speed. Also in Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi, he demonstrated the use of psychokinesis, empathy, clairvoyance, prescience, and powerful Sith lightning; in Revenge of the Sith he was able to sense that Vader was in danger on the distant Outer Rim world of Mustafar from the Senate Hall on Coruscant in the Core Worlds Region.
. In "Sleight of Hand: The Tale of Mara Jade," he was able to telepathically communicate with his pet assassin and Emperor's Hand, Mara Jade, across interstellar distances (he has only demonstrated the ability to telepathically communicate in this fashion with a handful of persons, all of whom are very close to him, both personally and psychically, and was generally obliged to use the HoloNet for most interstellar communications, including with Vader in The Empire Strikes Back). In The Bacta War, it was speculated that he may have clouded the minds of Coruscant's population so that no one remembered the burial of a Super Star Destroyer in the Imperial City skyline, but it was also speculated that he may have simply ordered the murder of all the witnesses.
n Dark Empire II he demonstrated the ability to "empower" Dark Jedi, allowing his power to "enter {them} and fill {them} with the knowledge and the strength of the dark side of the Force that is {his} to give"; this is clearly the same concept of a "Dark Side Elite" of Dark Jedi "perfectly absorbed into the Emperor's will" that he had written of in the Dark Side Compendium. The Revised Core Rulebook notes that this technique is part of the secret Sith knowledge to which he had access by virtue of his status as the reigning Sith Master, so theoretically any very high-level Sith Lord ought to be able to do the same. Nevertheless it should be noted that the act of "empowering" another in this way actually weakens the Sith Lord in the same respect, so the ability is of relatively limited utility in most circumstances. Palpatine himself apparently found little use for it except as a mental exercise in the Dark Side Compendium, as he made use of it sparingly (if at all) before Dark Empire II; his Emperor's Hands seem to perform the same function without the coincident weakening effect, and he may have created his Dark Side Elite-style Dark Jedi as a stopgap measure to provide himself with useful agents ad interim. Certainly the idea is not new, as he had written of it before the Battle of Endor, and he has possessed the necessary knowledge for a good deal of time longer than that. Similar uses of the Force include the creation of mindless Sentinels enslaved to the wills of the dark side adepts in the Dark Empire Sourcebook, the "empowerment" of the cybernetic Shadow Droid starfighters and the special purpose Darktroopers (elite Imperial Marines, not to be confused with the mobile weapons platform Dark Troopers of Dark Forces or the cybernetic "darktrooper" dragoons of Battlefront) in Dark Empire II.
According to the Dark Empire Sourcebook, Palpatine had created his idyllic, utopian retreat world of Byss in the Deep Core in order to lure millions to reside permanently there, so that he could "feed off their life energy" with his "Dark Side skills"; using the siren call of "beauty and peace," he and his dark side adepts used the Force for "draining the life itself from the populace," replacing their independent wills with "an illusion of tranquillity as they blissfully surrender their life energy to sustain the Emperor." This particular ability seems closely related to the "empowerment" technique, and the two abilities combine to create a sort of pyramid system, in which the dark side adepts would feed off others beneath them, in turn becoming assimilated into Palpatine; the Dark Empire Sourcebook mentions this as part of an experimental dark side theocracy intended to gradually supplant the system currently in place in the Galactic Empire. It should be noted that the Dark Empire Sourcebook notes that the "drain life essence" ability is easy to use on "willing, worshipful subjects," which may explain why Byss is the only world known to be a dark side "feeding ground" of this sort.
In Heir to the Empire, Grand Admiral Thrawn noted that after Palpatine's death at the Battle of Endor, the Imperial fleet suffered a "sudden loss of coordination between crew members and ships; the loss of efficiency and discipline," or, as he put it, "the loss, in short, of that elusive quality we call fighting spirit." To explain this, he speculated that "it was the Emperor's will that drove {the fleet}; the Emperor's mind that provided {them} with strength and resolve and efficiency," and that "{they} were all as dependent on that presence as if {they} were all borg-implanted into a combat computer"; Thrawn believed that Palpatine had been using this form of battle meditation "as completely and constantly as possible." Apparently, Thrawn's borg-implant theory was essentially correct, even if his details were not ("Who's Who: Imperial Grand Admirals" indicates that it was dark side adept Grand Admiral Nial Declann who had been using battle meditation at Endor, not Palpatine). Battle meditation or no, Palpatine's death at Endor was an unmitigated disaster for the Imperial fleet; Return of the Jedi calls him "the central, powerful evil that had been the cohesive force to the Empire" and points out that with his death, the dark side became diffused and nondirected, producing only confusion, desperation, and "damp fear."
There are certain other abilities and techniques that Palpatine has not been seen to demonstrate, but which he can be inferred to possess based on the fact that they are demonstrated by certain of his students. Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter mentions that Darth Maul had been trained in Teräs Käsi early in his life, including patterns of movement such as "Charging Wampa, Rancor Rising, Dancing Dragonsnake, and many more"; the fact that Sidious raised Maul from his infancy indicates that Sidious himself must have been trained in the art. Similarly, "Fight Saber: Jedi Lightsaber Combat" identifies Maul as a master of Form VII, which is only possible for "high-level masters of multiple Forms," another implicit indicator of Sidious's skills; still another such indicator related to Maul is the scribe's remark in The New Essential Guide to Characters that Maul created a customized protocol 'droid named C-3PX "using the Force mechanical skill mechu-duru," which "The Emperor's Pawns" calls an obscure discipline and "lost Sith 'art'" of "mechanical manipulation using the Force," most knowledge of which "was committed to ancient scrolls that have since been destroyed or scattered across the galaxy." There is also Luke Skywalker's use of the illusory Doppelgänger ability in Dark Empire, which the Dark Empire Sourcebook – incidentally, it specifically attributes the ability to Palpatine as well – describes as "an illusion, but to those who interact with it, it will seem real," and is indistinguishable from the genuine individual even by "all droid audio and video sensors," even seeming to "have form and substance."
Lightsnake, are you arguing from the Dark Empire Sourcebook from West End Games?. What are you on about?
So you want to argue role playing books as canon now? LMAO
In that case, Ragnos pwns everyone in the series because his force defence is the highest and he has the best sword skills. You just buried Sidious with your hypocrisy.
RPG stats are declared as gaming material alone.
And read the damn thing, it's hardly just one sourcebook. Story info from the books still applies heavily. Story info aren't gaming stats, which have a disclaimer on them in the sourcebooks anyways. Story info is quite applicable and if you read that little essay, sourcebooks are hardly the only thing in the arsenal
Moah...
1) "Gaining Knowledge"
He could only gain knowledge that was still present which isn't true for the stuff stored on Malachor V, lot's of knowledge from the Ancient Sith Empire and even stuff being stored at Yavin 4.
2) "Cloaking yourself in the force"
That ability was reproduced by Dooku and even Asajj Ventress. Nothing great there.
3) "Holocrons"
You notice that Sidious wasn't able to use the Jedi holocrons since they wouldn't allow Dark Siders to use them...?
4) "Lightsaber skills, combat skills"
Not able to match Mace Windu, Yoda and perhabs Dooku. Stupid to mention them even.
5) "Empowering others"
Ragnos sceptre is able to create entire armies of Dark Jedi. And this is feat wars since it won't help him in a fight.
6) "Draining life energy"
As you quoted yourself he can only use it one people who are "willfull" to help it. So again - no use in a battle.
7) "Battle Meditation"
Also reproduced by others and in far greater scale as they turned the tide of battles where Sidious - IF he used it - was just doing so to increase the strength of an already superior fleet.
8) "Teräs Käsi / Form VII"
Again mood point. Even if Maul was trained in it and Sidious used it it still didn't help him to beat Mace Windu in a straight forward melee fight. And mention that Teräs Käsi was used as a lightsaber style in Shadow Hunter and therefore was overwritten by other stuff (the lightsaber forms).
Form VII is a total unfinished art of fighting until Mace Windu completed it with Vaapad which died with Windu himself. And we've seen that - assuming Sidious used that form himself - it's no match for Vaapad.
9) "The illusions (Doppelgänger)"
That was exactly what Sadow was using on Coruscant with the little difference that he didn't just create one of them but spawned an entire army of illusionary enemies that seemed to be "real".
Great Lightsnake. All you've prooved know is that Sidious used knowledge from the Ancient Sith Lords and with all his skills was still beaten by Mace Windu, by Vader (to a certain extend) and by DE Luke (who couldn't deal with Kun's spirit). I wonder where this makes him look great...
OH, PLEASE:
Sidious's mastery of the Force was both prodigious and extraordinary, to the point that the Dark Empire Sourcebook states that he "has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines" and that "it is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure."
Sounds real inferior. And lost to Mace? Only one of the greatest Jedi swordsmen ever. Lost to DE Luke? With the help of anakin Solo's raw force power in his mother's womb and Leia herself...and yes, I'm sure Kun could beat Luke...despite the fact he was double teaming a surprised Luke with Kyp Durron.
Of course, a few quotes about Ragnos despite the fact he's never shown doing anything...
