Didnt anybody watch that movie Kung-Fu Hustle? "In the world of martial arts speed determines the victor."
Goku at his best moves at the speed of light ONLY with instant transmition. Which he as to concentrate to use and his body is transformed into energy to do it. Therefore he can move at light speed but not throw a punch at light speed, Superman can go back in time=faster than light. End of discussion thank you very much.
If Im not mistaken in GT SSJ4 goku gets hit with his own x10 kamemaha when it gets bounced back at him from one of the 7 star dragons. An is defeated as he transforms back to normal. An as was state superman has taken galaxy destroying blasts. Again thnx for playing.
Also, the idea for Goku an DB where actually ripped off of superman. An alien lands on earth from a distant planet an has super human abilities. His planet is destroyed an he is the last of his race. Except! 2 other Aliens survive(superman 2 anyone? General Zod) an come to earth to fight him.
An in one DB episode an gimpy superman look-a-like makes a brief appearance to pay homage.
Goku is a wannabe rip off of superman, even admitted by the creator himself. Again thnx for playing.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Superman has amazing speed. But Goku can literally teleport (Instant Transmission) at will and his regular speed has never been clocked. But its so fast that it seems as if he’s teleporting anyways. While Superman is fast he cannot move instantly anywhere he wants.Superman has a lot of cool powers. Heat Vision, Freeze breath etc. His heat vision is damn hot. But it can’t destroy planets. Nor would he ever be able to hit Goku with it anyways (see above). Now, Goku has so much ki power that he posses the ability to destroy a planet roughly 333 times during the Frieza saga BEFORE he became a Super Saiyan according to the powerlevels given by Akira Toriyama. How do I know this? Math. Simple Math. In the Saiyan saga Vegeta destroys the planet Arlia with absolutely no difficulty. (He used 2 fingers and didn’t even flinch) Then later while fighting Goku (after getting pummeled by Goku’s Kaio Ken) He threatens to destroy the Earth. He says something along the lines of “Dodge this next attack if you can Kakarot, but even if you do this entire planet is going up in smoke!” This is when Goku and Vegeta have the big ki blast battle where Goku uses Kaio-Ken x4. Now Vegeta’s Powerlevel at this time is about 18,000. So at the very least we know that with a powerlevel of 18,000 you are strong enough to destroy a planet. Now, Goku’s powerlevel using Kaio-Ken x20 while fighting Frieza on Namek is about 6,000,000.
6,000,000 divided by 18,000 is 333.333.
As note Super Saiyan Goku on Namek, with no training as a Super Saiyan (A new Super Saiyan) has a powerlevel of about 15,000,000. That equates to being able to destroy a planet roughly 833 times over. Now imagine Goku’s power during the Buu saga. Its easily 3-5 times more then what it was on Namek. And that’s likely underestimating it. (Unfortunately we have no way to really know as Toriyama stopped doing powerlevels after Namek) But its safe to say that Super Saiyan 2 is double the power of a Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan 3 is at least triple the power of a regular Super Saiyan (though I think its more logical to assume that its double the power of a Super Saiyan 2)
At any Rate Superman posses no where near this kind of power. If Goku felt like it, potentially he could generate a kamehameha that had the power to destroy a planet easily over a few thousand times during the Buu saga. Superman cant compete with power like that.
Oh and as a side note, the “Taking time to power up” argument for Supes isn’t gonna cut it. Goku could Instant Transmission somewhere (where ever he felt like) Transform, charge up a kamehameha wave with enough force to destroy the Earth a few hundred times, Instant Transmission right back in front of Superman and kill him. (or at least really really hurt him.)
Now I give Superman a lot of respect. And I’ll admit that if Goku wanted to have a one on one fight with Supes, and he slipped up and Supes actually got a few good hits in. Goku would be hurting, a lot. But Goku is too fast, and his power is so absurd that there’s just no way that Superman could do anything about it if Goku felt like destroying him.
This is the best argument I've seen so far, I know my argument was definitely lame but no one has yet to answer this question until then goku wins
Holy Sh!t
Goku when he 1st talks about instant transmition, states he transforms his body to energy to move that fast. The speed of light. Superman in the 1st ****ing movie goes back in time thats faster than light. There is no arguement to be made this is pure fact of the movie an the ****ing DBZ show. PERIOD
So stop ignoring what is non-disputed truth. Jesus
Superman IS faster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
Superman's famous arsenal of powers include flight, vast super strength and invulnerability, super speed, vision powers (including x-ray, heat, telescopic, infra-red, and microscopic vision), super photographic memory, super hearing and super breath, which enables him to freeze objects by blowing on them. There are no known limits to Superman's strength, though his sense of modesty and fairness may serve as a mental block to ever knowing the true limits of his abilities.
Last time I check invulernabilty means cant be hurt so even if Goku could land a punch they wouldnt hurt superman. We see goku get beaten like a disruptive child in every episode.
So superman is faster an tougher than Goku.
Originally posted by NPC
Holy Sh!t
Goku when he 1st talks about instant transmition, states he transforms his body to energy to move that fast. The speed of light. Superman in the 1st ****ing movie goes back in time thats faster than light. There is no arguement to be made this is pure fact of the movie an the ****ing DBZ show. PERIOD
So stop ignoring what is non-disputed truth. Jesus
Superman IS fasterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
Superman's famous arsenal of powers include flight, vast super strength and invulnerability, super speed, vision powers (including x-ray, heat, telescopic, infra-red, and microscopic vision), super photographic memory, super hearing and super breath, which enables him to freeze objects by blowing on them. There are no known limits to Superman's strength, though his sense of modesty and fairness may serve as a mental block to ever knowing the true limits of his abilities.Last time I check invulernabilty means cant be hurt so even if Goku could land a punch they wouldnt hurt superman. We see goku get beaten like a disruptive child in every episode.
So superman is faster an tougher than Goku.
Superman prime can go through time not post crisis superman and were debating post crisis not pre crisis, Show me proof superman can withstand a force that can destroy 833 planets and instant transmission can transport goku anywhere.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
...a force that can destroy 833 planets...
...would not hurt Superman.
It's not magical.
And it's no Kryptonite.
Unless he's hit with one of the above OR he's been fighting for hours on end, Superman is INVULNERABLE.
Do you DBZ boys not know what this words means?
Unless he's had his power reserves DRAINED by fighting for hours, his bio-metric aura means that you CANNOT hurt him.
He is invulnerable.
You can hit him with for that will destroy a planet.
Or 100 planets.
Or 833 planets.
Or ten thousand planets.
It doesn't matter - because he's invulnerable.
He will survive ANY physical attacks that is not MAGICAL, KRYPTONITE or somehow BYPASSES his forcefield (ie a cosmic entity such as Big G).
Please get with it.
Goku is not hurting Superman.
These are not the rantings of a fanboy.
These are decade old proven truths. :rolletes:
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
...would not hurt Superman.It's not magical.
And it's no Kryptonite.
Unless he's hit with one of the above OR he's been fighting for hours on end, Superman is INVULNERABLE.
Do you DBZ boys not know what this words means?
Unless he's had his power reserves DRAINED by fighting for hours, his bio-metric aura means that you CANNOT hurt him.
He is invulnerable.
You can hit him with for that will destroy a planet.
Or 100 planets.
Or 833 planets.
Or ten thousand planets.
It doesn't matter - because he's invulnerable.
He will survive ANY physical attacks that is not MAGICAL, KRYPTONITE or somehow BYPASSES his forcefield (ie a cosmic entity such as Big G).
Please get with it.
Goku is not hurting Superman.
These are not the rantings of a fanboy.
These are decade old proven truths. :rolletes:
And like I said we are not talking about pre crisis superman were talking about post crisis who cannot with stand anything thrown at him so until anyone shows me anything that has superman surviving a force that can wipe out 833 planets goku wins, seriously if we were talking about the golden age supes you think I would be debating like this?!
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And like I said we are not talking about pre crisis superman were talking about post crisis who cannot with stand anything thrown at him so until anyone shows me anything that has superman surviving a force that can wipe out 833 planets goku wins, seriously if we were talking about the golden age supes you think I would be debating like this?!
i think he is talking about pre crisis supse.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
2 Black holes cannot destroy 833 planets 😉But that is a great pic post more please 😄
Um, a black hole sucks in anything, to the point Light can't even escape. So yes, 833 planets can be destroyed.
But if the planets exceed the holes Roche limits, then no a black hole can't destroy the planets.
Lies! All Lies!
In the very beginning fo the Bu saga, it was said that Bu destroyed entire galaxies.
Remember?!
Please do not throw feats around, unless ya want to hear them too baby! Woo Hoo!
So, if Bu can destroy galaxies, what does that say for Goku, Vegetta, Gohan, etc, who all gave Bu so much to handle?
They are all on a different level that Superman, or any comic characters.
But, yes, they would have to come up with a better and quicker way to power up! I don't think most DC or Marvel characters would sit around ooing and aahing, until Goku was ready to kill them.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Lies! All Lies!In the very beginning fo the Bu saga, it was said that Bu destroyed entire galaxies.
Remember?!
Please do not throw feats around, unless ya want to hear them too baby! Woo Hoo!
So, if Bu can destroy galaxies, what does that say for Goku, Vegetta, Gohan, etc, who all gave Bu so much to handle?
They are all on a different level that Superman, or any comic characters.But, yes, they would have to come up with a better and quicker way to power up! I don't think most DC or Marvel characters would sit around ooing and aahing, until Goku was ready to kill them.
Entire galaxies going from Planet to Planet....Superman could do that as well. So that's not truly a undefeatable argument.
You know Im sure all those numbskulls at DC are gonna jump on the chance of having Superman blow up earth or anyother planet to prove how tough he really is.
"You know Superman really should blow up mars Dave, you know how totally awsome that would be? he should grunt while doing so and his hair sould turn into esparagus......"
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
If it couldn't suck in a planet, within it's range, then it wouldn't be a black hole.
"What if the Sun became a black hole?
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Well, first, let me assure you that the Sun has no intention of doing any such thing. Only stars that weigh considerably more than the Sun end their lives as black holes. The Sun is going to stay roughly the way it is for another five billion years or so. Then it will go through a brief phase as a red giant star, during which time it will expand to engulf the planets Mercury and Venus, and make life quite uncomfortable on Earth (oceans boiling, atmosphere escaping, that sort of thing). After that, the Sun will end its life by becoming a boring white dwarf star. If I were you, I'd make plans to move somewhere far away before any of this happens. I also wouldn't buy any of those 8-billion-year government bonds.
But I digress. What if the Sun *did* become a black hole for some reason? The main effect is that it would get very dark and very cold around here. The Earth and the other planets would not get sucked into the black hole; they would keep on orbiting in exactly the same paths they follow right now. Why? Because the horizon of this black hole would be very small -- only about 3 kilometers -- and as we observed above, as long as you stay well outside the horizon, a black hole's gravity is no stronger than that of any other object of the same mass."
-Ted Bunn-
Sorry but that black hole is too small,I doubt it's 3 km wide
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
"What if the Sun became a black hole?
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Well, first, let me assure you that the Sun has no intention of doing any such thing. Only stars that weigh considerably more than the Sun end their lives as black holes. The Sun is going to stay roughly the way it is for another five billion years or so. Then it will go through a brief phase as a red giant star, during which time it will expand to engulf the planets Mercury and Venus, and make life quite uncomfortable on Earth (oceans boiling, atmosphere escaping, that sort of thing). After that, the Sun will end its life by becoming a boring white dwarf star. If I were you, I'd make plans to move somewhere far away before any of this happens. I also wouldn't buy any of those 8-billion-year government bonds.But I digress. What if the Sun *did* become a black hole for some reason? The main effect is that it would get very dark and very cold around here. The Earth and the other planets would not get sucked into the black hole; they would keep on orbiting in exactly the same paths they follow right now. Why? Because the horizon of this black hole would be very small -- only about 3 kilometers -- and as we observed above, as long as you stay well outside the horizon, a black hole's gravity is no stronger than that of any other object of the same mass."
-Ted Bunn-
Sorry but that black hole is too small,I doubt it's 3 km wide
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Um, a black hole sucks in anything, to the point Light can't even escape. So yes, 833 planets can be destroyed.But if the planets exceed the holes Roche limits, then no a black hole can't destroy the planets.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
If it couldn't suck in a planet, within it's range, then it wouldn't be a black hole.
As I said, with in it's range. Read what I write before you try to prove me wrong.