darthgoober
Senior Member
Originally posted by Juntai
Batman catches Impulse mid-run. 😉
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=77b_batimpulse.jpg&loc=loc24Here, he takes down Donna with her own lasso, then takes out a speeding Wally with one arm, while breaking Speedy's bow with a batarang thrown from the other hand.
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000465954295386236
Dodging a speeding Superman's punch.
http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08632_batsuperduck_122_627lo.jpg
Batman dodges a heat-vision sneak attack from Titans of Tomorrow Kon El
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2370/23ph0.jpg
One question, would you consider those scans as valid evidence AGAINST the people going Bats was facing? Would you accept them as valid evidence that Nightwing, Cap, Spiderman, or Quicksilver could do the same?
Originally posted by Juntai
Disarms a group of gunmen who have him surrounded, and is off across the rooftops, while they still have their hands out as if they're holding their weapons.
http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc124&image=c18_batreflexes.jpg
This one's really impressive, I won't deny that.
Originally posted by Juntai
Taking on several gunmen, shooting him from many directions with automatic weapons, none ever lands a shot, as he cuts swathe through the melee.
http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=3e0_batspeed6.jpgDiving and flipping between gunfire from an automatic weapon, never gets hit.
http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=6d0_batagile16.jpg
Nearly all heroes on Bat's and Cap's level have feats like these. It's impressive sure, but scene's like this are fairy ambiguous because we don't know how much of it is actually due to dodging and how much of it is due to staying ahead of the aim of the gunmen.
Originally posted by Juntai
Durability?
Caught inside of an exploding building, Batman walks out unharmed.
http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc208&image=c0d_batarmor_pre3.jpg
http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=21505_batarmor1_122_25lo.jpg
Kinda impressive, but it leaves something to be desired IMO. The fact that he walked out without a scratch suggest circumstances to his surviving the blast, even though there's none actually depicted(just one of those things that's supposed to impress the audience even more via the mystery). Don't get me wrong though because I really like scene's like that and it DOES say something about him, it's just that common sense tells us that he did SOMETHING to survive the blast(otherwise his unarmored mouth would have been burned beyond recognition).
Originally posted by Juntai
Takes a backhand from Mongul.
http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc1&image=648_batmongul1.jpgTakes a solid punch from Superman.
http://img121.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08634_batsuperpunch1_122_878lo.jpg
And with a cracked sternum, ribs, bones broken through skin, possibly a punctured lung, he stands up to face Superman.
http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08642_batsuperpunch2_122_744lo.jpg
Much like your first scans for speed, would you accept these scans as valid evidence AGAINST Grundy and Supes's hitting power if the thread about whether or not someone like Captain America or even Ironman could take a backhand from Mongul or a solid punch from Supes?
Originally posted by Juntai
Taking several shots at point blank range, just to prove he can, while he closes in on a guy.
http://img5.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc148&image=eae_batgun2.jpg
Cool, cool, he wears Kevlar(we knew that).
Originally posted by Juntai
Goes rounds with Aquaman, and leaves him beaten.
Then helps him up.
http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc221&image=b76_aqbat1.jpg
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc287&image=3a3_aqbat2.jpg
http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc87&image=697_aqbat3.jpg
See above questions in regards to speed and durability.
Originally posted by Juntai
Cap was shot in the head and survived?
How about, them simply bouncing off, like anywhere else on the armor? lol.
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc138&image=72d_batsuit2.jpg
Hey like I said before, sometimes Cap's chainmail is portrayed as bulletproof and sometimes it isn't. The point is that he was shot in the head when it WASN'T portrayed as bullet proof(so he actually took a bullet to the head) and he recovered and was up on his feat again a short time later.
Now I'm assuming that you meant these two
Originally posted by Juntai
Takes down Grundy with pressure points.
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc121&image=3fc_batgrundy1.jpgFrom a glance, across a room, Batman deciphers fifteen ways to kill Prometheus from their positions.
http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc208&image=c01_batprometheus1.jpg
To go with these..
Originally posted by Juntai
Btw;
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=det411ii8.jpg
Batman "Is a MASTER OF ALL FIGHTING ARTS"http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6964/batleexi1.jpg
is "trained to the peak of physical and mental conditioning"
And "master of virtually all forms of combat."
...rather than in the durability section, but if I'm wrong just let me know and point out where the feat of durability is in the scan(I can't find one, which is why assumed they were misplaced).
Anyway in regards to the above scans, I never claimed that Cap was more skilled or a better fighter(if anything I see them as comparable in that regard). I mean if you think Bat's is actually a better fighter and are looking to debate the point we can(just let me know), I was just letting you know that I haven't made any claims about Cap being a better fighter.
Originally posted by Juntai
There's a start.
Well a couple of them are impressive, but many of them seem to fall under the PIS category. I mean unless you honestly think that Bat's could evade Superman or take a real punch from him then they're not really valid evidence are they? You can't have it both ways, it can't be accurate for Bat's but not for Supes, Flash, etc. I could have posted feats of Cap dodging lightning and taking shot's from guys like Hulk or Absorbing Man but I freely acknowledge that Cap really shouldn't be able to do that kind of thing and didn't post them for the PIS factor. But the scans I DID post fall within Cap's range on average and seem superior to the ones you posted(excluding the PIS one's anyway).
Also, keep in mind that I actually lost track of what I was debating right out of the gate with lag, I actually meant to ask about BETTER feats from Bats rather than equal feats from Bats(because lag said that Bat's had the edge physically except for strength). Yeah Bat's got some feats that are way up there just like all characters do, but overall and on average it just seems that Cap got an edge in physicality. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination, but an edge nonetheless.
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