Originally posted by Bentley
That's unfair to Batman considering that metahumans of DC are often so powerful that a human no matter how strong would be toast against them. More uber villains than in Marvel if you ask me.
Thats confirmation bias. DC is just like Marvel you have varying degrees of power. Some of Caps enemies arent that powerful just more powerful than Batmans enemies.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
So you will not accept it as prove even though DC universe gave you your scan and issue numbers for you to check.
OK, I hope you know that DC universe it the official site for all DC comics. Even with this information; are you still going to deny their sources because they are a website which makes them a non canon source? I am just asking.In red skull’s defense he did fire a couple of shots before Cap ran across the room. The feat with cap dodging a bullet that is a reflex feat, this particular feat is more his running speed than reflex. But if you want to count it as being a reflex feat fine by me. I will tell you right now that batman has some feats like this but nothing as extensive as the Cap. but for someone like Cap or batman how is being able to run fast help them in fight apart from being able to get out of the hot zone in a blink of an eye?
Another question; the feats that you presented how are they any different from the feats that you will see in the site I presented?
Do not say I did not provide any resources because that is far from the truth. And all the feats that you presented you will be able to find equivalent feats to almost all of them.
http://agent0x7.tripod.com/batman.htmlNo I am not conceding in regards to cap’s skill; if you ask me I will say that the moves he preformed in those particular instances are basic compared to what batman has done. One of which is making someone forget their short term memory, and another knocking a person out by just touching them, if memory serves he touched the person on his arm and the guy fainted.
Oh darthgoober keep eye out for this maybe you will accept these sources, whenever they are posted.
Originally posted by Silent Master
According to the comics, it acts more like a virus than a steroid.
it is still a chemical enhancement that improves physical abilities. a steroid.
besides cap wins this, as i already stated due to his SS reaction time that bats is unable to keep up with regardless of his skills.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Batman can keep up with Cap.
i am aware that bats is peak human and all but cap isnt regardless of how he is sold as one. bats cannot keep up cap this is a guy that can see bullets flying and have enough time to react.
bats isnt a bullet timer he anticipates the attack and trajectory.
cap is a fully functional bullet speed reaction reflex.
cap will see bats every punch and have the fighting skill knowledge experience to counter him.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Bullet time or not Cap is not dancing around Batman. Batman and Cap are in the same range physically as far as strength and speed is concerned. Also Batman fights foes faster than him anyways Bane being the most regular and he still keeps up with him.
ppl need to stop making that comparison they arent remotely closed physically.. unless bats has acquired a low level HF and can see bullets and is immune to poison.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
ppl need to stop making that comparison they arent remotely closed physically.. unless bats has acquired a low level HF and can see bullets and is immune to poison.
They are close physically but Cap is still better.
I don't think his HF will be effective actually in the fight. It will be useful when the fighting is done. But not during it. It is too slow for that.
If I recall it wasn't stated that he actually sees the bullets. I thought he just said he generally sees faster.
No, no, no, no.
Look it's - well first off, I know my history. What I meant was, Cap HELPED turn the tide in the COMIC.
In any case, Cap still fought for years in WWII. Which means his combat training started much tougher than Batman.
And I can't stress this enough. Cap's physiology is FLAWLESS. Batman is not. Batman has been taken down or out by things that barely phase Cap. Like getting SHOT. Batman's been shot and dropped before. Cap takes it standing and then hammers the guy that shot him. Batman cannot punch as hard as a bullet. Batman may be peak, but not perfect. He is NOT as strong, fast, durable, agile, or experienced as Captain America. Batman does not dodge bullets as close as Cap does. Batman is physically inferior. He IS inferior. It's FACT, and the feats shown prove it.
So Batman's only hope are his skills.
Taking that into account. It's been stated that Batman and Cap are at least equals in skill. If that's true, and personally I think Cap has loads more skill and TONS more experience, then Cap wins anyway.
Assuming equal skill means they fight and fight with neither gaining the advantage and stalemating; make one physically superior in every way, or ANY way. With exactly equal skill, if Cap was just faster, or just stronger, or only had better reflexes, then Cap wins.
With equal skill, ANY physical advantage makes the difference.
Pure hand to hand, Cap wins 10/10 after any length of match.
With gadgets though, Cap wins maybe 6-7/10. Cap's shield could block most attacks and he's immune to gasses and shit, but the smoke bombs, flashbangs, and other shit like that make a little difference.