Originally posted by Badabing
😂Honestly, with these two having a bunch of feats and huge jobber auras, I can only go with a tie...or Batman winning 5/10. biscuits
And if you disagree... well it's like I said, you're a communist 😛 .
I think while Steve is the superior physical specimen, something that really cannot be disputed, I believe Batman is the superior mental specimen. While I can't see Steve letting up on Bats long enough for him to get the chance, Batman, even without gadgets, can make Steve fight on his terms instead of vice versa. Also, in terms of skills and technique, I think Batman holds the edge over Steve.
Cap gets the majority, but Batman can still pull out some wins. He is the Goddamned Batman, afterall.
Originally posted by Bentley
Batman won't fight in his term against a faster, stronger opponent no matter how much he is smarter or has more skill, physics dictate the fight, Batman by definition will be fighting in the terms that Steve lets him fight into. 😉
Yeah, that's what I meant by "Steve not letting up on him."
Real perfection can only be reached if you're genetically perfect.
Cap is. Batman's not. No matter how strong or fast Batman is, he cannot physically reach Cap's attributes no matter how hard he tries.
And Batman being a better fighter?
Cap started training at an earlier age than Batman. And one of his earliest fights was World War II. And he didn't just join the troops at the front line. He often solo'ed missions(well with Bucky, but whatever), and he turned the tide of the war. And World War II lasted many years. That means Cap was constantly fighting hordes of Nazi's for years, and he not only survived, but he's the reason we won the war. Cap did that long before super-criminals became a common thing. That's why Cap pwns them so easily. Beating up a street thug with a few powers is good for Batman, but if you're in the shit, get Cap.
Captain America f**king blowup!!CURBSTOMPS!!blowup........................... Batman...
*sigh*
Originally posted by darthgoober
An Internet site isn't considered a canon source.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The feat I brought up IS a reflex feat. Red Skull fired, then Cap crossed the room, then he turned and deflected the bullets that were fired before he started moving.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The feats I posted have nothing to do with strength, they were all speed and durability feats. And again, Internet Fansites don't qualify as a canon source. You're the one who said you were up for a "feat for feat" comparison, so post those feats of Batman's the equal or exceed the feats that I posted for Cap.
Another question; the feats that you presented how are they any different from the feats that you will see in the site I presented?
Do not say I did not provide any resources because that is far from the truth. And all the feats that you presented you will be able to find equivalent feats to almost all of them.
http://agent0x7.tripod.com/batman.html
Originally posted by darthgooberAnd are you conceeding in regards to Cap's skill(since you didn't address the scans I posted of Cap taking down people with pressure points)?
Oh darthgoober keep eye out for this maybe you will accept these sources, whenever they are posted.
Originally posted by juntai
[QUOTE] Originally posted by darthgooberCool so you have feats from Bat's that actually equal these feats of Cap's..
Originally posted by lifeisaglich[/QUOTE]
So you will not accept it as prove even though DC universe gave you your scan and issue numbers for you to check.
OK, I hope you know that DC universe it the official site for all DC comics. Even with this information; are you still going to deny their sources because they are a website which makes them a non canon source? I am just asking.In red skull’s defense he did fire a couple of shots before Cap ran across the room. The feat with cap dodging a bullet that is a reflex feat, this particular feat is more his running speed than reflex. But if you want to count it as being a reflex feat fine by me. I will tell you right now that batman has some feats like this but nothing as extensive as the Cap. but for someone like Cap or batman how is being able to run fast help them in fight apart from being able to get out of the hot zone in a blink of an eye?
Another question; the feats that you presented how are they any different from the feats that you will see in the site I presented?
Do not say I did not provide any resources because that is far from the truth. And all the feats that you presented you will be able to find equivalent feats to almost all of them.
http://agent0x7.tripod.com/batman.htmlNo I am not conceding in regards to cap’s skill; if you ask me I will say that the moves he preformed in those particular instances are basic compared to what batman has done. One of which is making someone forget their short term memory, and another knocking a person out by just touching them, if memory serves he touched the person on his arm and the guy fainted.
Oh darthgoober keep eye out for this maybe you will accept these sources, whenever they are posted.
Actually, yeah, save the open field running speed, Batman can pretty much match all those feats.
I don't really mess around on here much anymore, but if I find some time in the near future, I'll indulge you.
Even if you have comparable feats in that website most of Batmans feats are less impressive in general.
Just beacause Batman can affects somebodies short term memory doesnt make him a better martial artist, hell it might prove that he knows more about pressure points. However Cap has been using pressure points to stun and hurt characters with vast durability and strength much longer and more consistently than Batman. In terms of using pressure points to KO cap wins hands down.
I really don't understand a discussion about characters that are so obviously comparable in their fighting prowess. Though it's standard good behaviour to post specific feats to support ones opinion, in cases like this, where both opponents have a vast number of unbelievable feats, it's rather pointless and nitpicking.
Each one has the potential to win against the other, depending on dayly form, surroundings and chance. The only one thing that's slightly turning the favour in one opponent's direction is Cap's serum, so he will probably win a slight majority of the fights.
Originally posted by wannabe
I really don't understand a discussion about characters that are so obviously comparable in their fighting prowess. Though it's standard good behaviour to post specific feats to support ones opinion, in cases like this, where both opponents have a vast number of unbelievable feats, it's rather pointless and nitpicking.
Each one has the potential to win against the other, depending on dayly form, surroundings and chance. The only one thing that's slightly turning the favour in one opponent's direction is Cap's serum, so he will probably win a slight majority of the fights.
Im not too sure. Most of Caps feats are better because he fights meta-humans more often.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im not too sure. Most of Caps feats are better because he fights meta-humans more often.
That's unfair to Batman considering that metahumans of DC are often so powerful that a human no matter how strong would be toast against them. More uber villains than in Marvel if you ask me.