Originally posted by darthgoober
One question, would you consider those scans as valid evidence AGAINST the people going Bats was facing? Would you accept them as valid evidence that Nightwing, Cap, Spiderman, or Quicksilver could do the same?This one's really impressive, I won't deny that.
Nearly all heroes on Bat's and Cap's level have feats like these. It's impressive sure, but scene's like this are fairy ambiguous because we don't know how much of it is actually due to dodging and how much of it is due to staying ahead of the aim of the gunmen.
Kinda impressive, but it leaves something to be desired IMO. The fact that he walked out without a scratch suggest circumstances to his surviving the blast, even though there's none actually depicted(just one of those things that's supposed to impress the audience even more via the mystery). Don't get me wrong though because I really like scene's like that and it DOES say something about him, it's just that common sense tells us that he did SOMETHING to survive the blast(otherwise his unarmored mouth would have been burned beyond recognition).
Much like your first scans for speed, would you accept these scans as valid evidence AGAINST Grundy and Supes's hitting power if the thread about whether or not someone like Captain America or even Ironman could take a backhand from Mongul or a solid punch from Supes?
Cool, cool, he wears Kevlar(we knew that).
See above questions in regards to speed and durability.
Hey like I said before, sometimes Cap's chainmail is portrayed as bulletproof and sometimes it isn't. The point is that he was shot in the head when it WASN'T portrayed as bullet proof(so he actually took a bullet to the head) and he recovered and was up on his feat again a short time later.
Now I'm assuming that you meant these two
To go with these..
...rather than in the durability section, but if I'm wrong just let me know and point out where the feat of durability is in the scan(I can't find one, which is why assumed they were misplaced).
Anyway in regards to the above scans, I never claimed that Cap was more skilled or a better fighter(if anything I see them as comparable in that regard). I mean if you think Bat's is actually a better fighter and are looking to debate the point we can(just let me know), I was just letting you know that I haven't made any claims about Cap being a better fighter.
Well a couple of them are impressive, but many of them seem to fall under the PIS category. I mean unless you honestly think that Bat's could evade Superman or take a real punch from him then they're not really valid evidence are they? You can't have it both ways, it can't be accurate for Bat's but not for Supes, Flash, etc. I could have posted feats of Cap dodging lightning and taking shot's from guys like Hulk or Absorbing Man but I freely acknowledge that Cap really shouldn't be able to do that kind of thing and didn't post them for the PIS factor. But the scans I DID post fall within Cap's range on average and seem superior to the ones you posted(excluding the PIS one's anyway).
Also, keep in mind that I actually lost track of what I was debating right out of the gate with lag, I actually meant to ask about BETTER feats from Bats rather than equal feats from Bats(because lag said that Bat's had the edge physically except for strength). Yeah Bat's got some feats that are way up there just like all characters do, but overall and on average it just seems that Cap got an edge in physicality. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination, but an edge nonetheless.
Yep. You could have showed Cap doing similar things, that's why they're comparable. lol.
PIS or not, really in part comes down to if we're debating the comic versions of the characters, or if we're debating under an ideal of the way people feel they should be portrayed on KMC. In general, though, no, I don't feel he should be taking hits by Superman or Superman enemies, but how is it less valid, when he does it frequently? See what I'm saying?
It'd be just as easy for me to show him taking on lower end metas, however, if that makes you feel more comfortable.
Both of these characters go well beyond their means.
And the point wasn't for me to show that Batman was better than Cap, it was to show that his feats are comparable, and they are. This was just a taste of them I whipped up in 20 minutes or so.
Anddd yea, I recognize I went out of the order there towards the end, I was running out of time, lol.
Andddandddd, the martial arts one, was for the people trying to claim a forum misconception of Batman mastering all Martial Arts. Not only is he a MASTER of ALL Martial Arts on panel, but he is nearly a master of ALL forms of combat, period.