Originally posted by OneDumbG0If batman wins he wins in the first 30 minutes of the fight after that rodgers physical attributes turn the fight in his favor.
Despite Cap's physical advantages, Batman turns it up a notch under these circumstances and makes this close. Unfortunately for Batman, Cap also turns it up a notch.Cap 6/10.
Fact of the matter is Cap wins and this is the consensus probably among writers,
Busiek thinks Caps superior
Brubaker (who has written for both Cap and Batman) thinks Caps superior.
Then theres this...
You can all talk about feats and such but if Batman and Cap were written in a comicbook Cap would be the superior fighter.
Originally posted by Deadline
Fact of the matter is Cap wins and this is the consensus probably among writers,Busiek thinks Caps superior
Brubaker (who has written for both Cap and Batman) thinks Caps superior.
Then theres this...You can all talk about feats and such but if Batman and Cap were written in a comicbook Cap would be the superior fighter.
you know crossovers aren't canon.
cap winning (assuming he does) is nowhere near being "fact" either.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you know crossovers aren't canon.
I know it isn't. The fact of the matter is most of the showings with Cap and Batman together have Cap looking superior. Brubaker a guy who has written for both Batman and Cap says Cap is superior.
There aren't any canon Batman vs Cap fights, so the best thing is to look at crossovers.
Originally posted by -Pr-
cap winning (assuming he does) is nowhere near being "fact" either.
I did use the word probably and im probably right because theres more proof for the Cap side.
Originally posted by Deadline
I know it isn't. The fact of the matter is most of the showings with Cap and Batman together have Cap looking superior. Brubaker a guy who has written for both Batman and Cap says Cap is superior.There aren't any canon Batman vs Cap fights, so the best thing is to look at crossovers.
I did use the word probably and im probably right because theres more proof for the Cap side.
no. you don't look at crossovers period. you look at their own feats in their own comics.
brubaker is one writer, and that is HARDLY definitive proof that one is superior to the other.
i disagree. in terms of skill i'd actually say batman has better showings.
Originally posted by -Pr-
no. you don't look at crossovers period. you look at their own feats in their own comics.
Yes I know according to forum rules crossovers arent allowed but common sense dictates that crossovers aren't a bad source if you don't have anything else.
You yourself have actually discussed crossovers in this forum. Its not official evidence in this forum but its food for thought.
Originally posted by -Pr-
brubaker is one writer, and that is HARDLY definitive proof that one is superior to the other.
Is that the only writer I mentioned. Who wrote that crossover?
Originally posted by -Pr-
i disagree. in terms of skill i'd actually say batman has better showings.
I don't see the point in getting into this really.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
How many times did they fight in COs? I only knew about Marvel vs. DC where bats saves Caps ass in the end
Might be three(edit four edie edit...nah I think its three) times. in JLA/Avengers Batman said Cap was more skillful than him and Busiek confirmed this.
The scan I posted Batman admits that Cap is superior to him but he doesnt blatnatly come out and say it.
Im not even sure if Batman won the example your giving.
Originally posted by DeadlineSlight edge? It can't be because of the serum that makes Cap superior to all human 🙄
Fact of the matter is Cap wins and this is the consensus probably among writers,Busiek thinks Caps superior
Brubaker (who has written for both Cap and Batman) thinks Caps superior.
Then theres this...You can all talk about feats and such but if Batman and Cap were written in a comicbook Cap would be the superior fighter.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Slight edge? It can't be because of the serum that makes Cap superior to all human 🙄
The thread isn't Cap without SSS vs Batman so that doesnt matter. Without the SSS he would be equal. Cap has been without the SSS and it didn't even make that much difference except stamina.
Originally posted by Deadline
Im not even sure if Batman won the example your giving.
He won but more by accident and after they were fighting for hours
(sorry the 2nd scan is turned around haven't looked at it while scanning)
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3593/30614629.jpg
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1736/96046123.jpg
Originally posted by Parmaniac
He won but more by accident and after they were fighting for hours
(sorry the 2nd scan is turned around haven't looked at it while scanning)http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3593/30614629.jpg
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1736/96046123.jpg
Well if won by accident thats not helping the Batman, case is it? So basically there are no comic sources showing Batman superior to Cap.
Cap 2 Batman 0
Originally posted by Deadline
Yes I know according to forum rules crossovers arent allowed but common sense dictates that crossovers aren't a bad source if you don't have anything else.You yourself have actually discussed crossovers in this forum. Its not official evidence in this forum but its food for thought.
Is that the only writer I mentioned. Who wrote that crossover?
I don't see the point in getting into this really.
common sense would be to not read a crossover written by a hack writer who might not know about the characters he's responsible for. crossovers can in no way influence your debating on the forum. its in the actual rules.
jla/avengers? busiek wrote that, if thats what it is.
Busiek took what he thought was logical if not fact-based approach. His stance was more or less - Captain America is all about fighting while Batman spends his time doing detective, forensics etc. Thus, I think Cap should be a better fighter- in short, since Batman does so much more, let's have Cap be better in that area.
Originally posted by -Pr-
common sense would be to not read a crossover written by a hack writer who might not know about the characters he's responsible for.crossovers can in no way influence your debating on the forum. its in the actual rules.
jla/avengers? busiek wrote that, if thats what it is.
He might not know about the characters hes writing about. Great so your speculating. Oh so Busiek is a hack writer now? Is Brubaker a hack writer? No he aint.
Originally posted by -Pr-
crossovers can in no way influence your debating on the forum. its in the actual rules.
Then why have you discussed crossover many times in the past then, when you know about the forum rules? The rules actually say that there are exceptions and one poster actually explained that.
Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
Busiek took what he thought was logical if not fact-based approach. His stance was more or less - Captain America is all about fighting while Batman spends his time doing detective, forensics etc. Thus, I think Cap should be a better fighter- in short, since Batman does so much more, let's have Cap be better in that area.
I'll have to take your word for it and im going to take it with a pinch of salt. You think its PIS for Bullseyes to give bullet dodgers problems and you actually think that its not PIS that Lady Shiva can own a guy thats too fast for Superman. Maybe your right.
Originally posted by Badabing
Deadline, it's been noted in the rules that crossovers aren't proof here. So it's against the rules, which you know. If you can't debate this topic w/o resorting to crossovers then: move to another thread or go to another board. Thanks.
Actually the rules does asay there are exceptions but unfortunately JLA/Avengers isn't oen of them. I made my point really it shouldnt go on any further.
Originally posted by DeadlineNo, you posted the scans and used them in the thread despite the rules. The "with exceptions" is above the crossover explanation. By rights I should give you a warning now for blatantly breaking the forum rules as this is something you've been told about before. You may want to drop it now while you're ahead or it will go badly for you. Thanks.
He might not know about the characters hes writing about. Great so your speculating. Oh so Busiek is a hack writer now? Is Brubaker a hack writer? No he aint.Then why have you discussed crossover many times in the past then, when you know about the forum rules? The rules actually say that there are exceptions and one poster actually explained that.
I'll have to take your word for it and im going to take it with a pinch of salt. You think its PIS for Bullseyes to give bullet dodgers problems and you actually think that its not PIS that Lady Shiva can own a guy thats too fast for Superman. Maybe your right.
Actually the rules does asay there are exceptions but unfortunately JLA/Avengers isn't oen of them. I made my point really it shouldnt go on any further.
