Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
we're not done

"Powerplant: 1 × Franklin 6V6-245-B16F (Military O-425-1)
air-cooled flat-6 piston engine, 245 hp (186 kW)

Rate of climb: 1,300 ft/min (6.6 m/s)"

if we throw out the direction thing, he still overcame the lift of the helicopter
with his arms/body when he pulled on the cable. he was the one that made the cable taught

No the helicopter was on a constant altitude. It wasn't rising at all. That means its upward force was equal to its weight as I said before. So all Cap had to do was supply the force of its weight to pull it down.

but he pulled against the rotor's downward lift (or thrust, whatever the terminology is for rotors)

Originally posted by namorsubby
Realizing that there is clearly a difference between what you say batman meant and what he actually said is not nearly the same as "making excuses".

What Batman said was open to interpretation so therefore it can't contradict what I said. Once again Busiek clarified the issue.

Originally posted by namorsubby

They fought for hours in one of those fights. Everything shown on panel contradicts how you feel bruce and steve match up. Not just in these cross overs, but also in their comic appearances.

theyre always down to be so comparable in these match ups because it's apparent in their comic potrayal.

No it doesnt. In that fight you're refering to Batman was breathing heavily, guess who wasn't. As I was saying Cap would eventually when because he has enhancements, thats pretty much consistent with what I said. Personally though I don't think it would take hours but thats just one fight.

In another one Batman stated that Cap was superior to him.

Obvoulsy you're going to argue that the third one wasn't implying that Cap had a slight edge but its pretty obvious especially when the other two fights back up my case.

LOL Captain America fights a highier caliber of bad guys than Batman does on regualr basis. No they're not equal.

I cited the stamina edge already. According to comic displayed martail arts training, knowledge, and expertise(not simple statements), batman has the skill edge.

It was never stated in any of those fights that cap was superior.

Neither does that last fight state cap is a better fighter.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I cited the stamina edge already.

and I already stated to you that one the reasons why Cap would win isn't just because of his skill but his stamina. I don't want to get into a semantic debate with you but if you're too tired to fight you can't do shit. The guy whos standing is the better fighter.

Originally posted by namorsubby
According to comic displayed martail arts training, knowledge, and expertise(not simple statements), batman has the skill edge.

Like what? Stop talking and provide some evidence.

Originally posted by namorsubby

It was never stated in any of those fights that cap was superior.

Neither does that last fight state cap is a better fighter.

It doesn't need to state that. It was clearly shown in the first fight Batman was getting tired and Cap wasn't. Again it doesn't need to be stated Busiek clarified the issue, since the statement was abmigous you can't state that it contradicted what the writer said.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not in this case. It was open to interpretation. Its like a passage of the Bible being unclear then God himself telling you what it means and then arguing with him.

Generally speaking, most comic book message boards place writer opinion below on panel feats.

Although I find them interesting, and do personally give them weight.

It's still just one writers opinion, though.

Also, I know Chuckg.. He's a Batman expert, but not a fanboy in that he'll readily admit when Bats is outclassed (He'd be the first to admit Iron Fist or Spidey would beat him every time, for example.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Generally speaking, most comic book message boards place writer opinion below on panel feats.

Although I find them interesting, and do personally give them weight.

It's still just one writers opinion, though.

and Brubaker thinks cap is superior as well. Hell even in that third crossover the writer was implying that Cap was superior.

Originally posted by cdtm

Also, I know Chuckg.. He's a Batman expert, but not a fanboy in that he'll readily admit when Bats is outclassed (He'd be the first to admit Iron Fist or Spidey would beat him every time, for example.)

If Chuck G reads alot of Captain America comics he doesn't know what the **** hes talking about. Hell the guy even said that Batman was much superior to Cap in skill, what a load of bullocks.

Edit: Actually ChuckG does seem to be fanatical. Its like he wanted to interpret it as Batman would beat Cap in the fight.

Editedit: Oh and the fact that you know he doesn't mean shit at all. He didn't write JLA/Avengers so his opinion means squat. Until he posts on this forum and backs up his opinion the jurys still going to be out, you sound like you're lying as well.

Originally posted by Deadline
and I already stated to you that one the reasons why Cap would win isn't just because of his skill but his stamina. I don't want to get into a semantic debate with you but if you're too tired to fight you can't do shit. The guy whos standing is the better fighter.

Like what? Stop talking and provide some evidence.

It doesn't need to state that. It was clearly shown in the first fight Batman was getting tired and Cap wasn't. Again it doesn't need to be stated Busiek clarified the issue, since the statement was abmigous you can't state that it contradicted what the writer said.

I've already cited the stamina edge. I guess you didn't see.

Being superior and having more stamina are two different things. These showings say one thing, and you say something else entirely.

Cap has one or two simple statements saying he knows so many martial arts. Bruce has countless displayed examples of him actually learning, knowing, and exhibiting various martial arts. If you are not aware of this then you dont need to be posting youre uneducated opinion here, period.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I've already cited the stamina edge. I guess you didn't see.

No actually I saw it just fine. You're missing the point, stamina is a factor that will give him an advantage. Thats all the point I'm trying to make.

Originally posted by namorsubby

Being superior and having more stamina are two different things.

Again not getting into a semantic debate with you. Heres the point I'm trying to make... its caps skill plus enhancements which will enable him to win. One of his enhancements is stamina. If his stamina helps him to win then hes superior.

Originally posted by namorsubby

These showings say one thing, and you say something else entirely.

Not it doesn't. Again Batman was breathing heavily and Cap wasn't. Batman was getting tired Cap wasn't, which means that if the fight had continued Cap would have probably won.

Again Busiek clarfied that he thought Cap was superior to Batman.

Originally posted by namorsubby

Cap has one or two simple statements saying he knows so many martial arts.

No he doesn't!

Originally posted by namorsubby

Bruce has countless displayed examples of him actually learning, knowing, and exhibiting various martial arts. If you are not aware of this then you dont need to be posting youre uneducated opinion here, period.

I'm aware of them but just because he states that doesn't make him superior. A person can exhibit martial arts without saying anything for example Cap has held his own against a cosmic god called Korvac. The only way he could have done that was through martial arts and hes been doing stuff like that more than batman has and for much longer.

Originally posted by Deadline
A person can exhibit martial arts without saying anything for example Cap has held his own against a cosmic god called Korvac. The only way he could have done that was through martial arts

What

No amount of Martial Arts would allow you to hold your own against Korvac with the Cosmic Cube. No, that was Cap's huge testis filled with man juice.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
...

What

No amount of Martial Arts would allow you to hold your own against Korvac with the Cosmic Cube. No, that was Cap's huge testis filled with man juice.

He didn't fight him with a cosmic cube, in fact he was in a weaker state but still very powerful.

Oh and Korvac killed him.

Originally posted by Deadline
He didn't fight him with a cosmic cube, in fact he was in a weaker state but still very powerful.

Oh and Korvac killed him.

He also fought well against Cube Red Skull, and killed him like three times when Skull had the Cube (twice when Skull was a Cube, and once when he had it in his hand).

Cap doesn't give a hoot.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Yes he did. Korvac was rewriting timelines to escape Cap, unless I'm missing something (or you're talking about the original Korvac arc... carry on then)

He also fought well against Cube Red Skull, and killed him like three times when Skull had the Cube (twice when Skull was a Cube, and once when he had it in his hand).

Cap doesn't give a hoot.

Ok I don't give a shit. I mean't in the example I'm refering to he didn't. Just because you have the cosmic cube doesn't make you invincible for example in the cae of Red Skull CIS was involved.

But like I said don't give a shit not refering to those incidents.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok I don't give a shit. I mean't in the example I'm refering to he didn't. Just because you have the cosmic cube doesn't make you invincible for example in the cae of Red Skull CIS was involved.

But like I said don't give a shit not refering to those incidents.

Also, martial arts aren't allowing a normal person to hold their own against Korvac. Being a straight up G does though.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Why are you getting so angry exactly?
I thought you liked Cap?

Also, martial arts aren't allowing a normal person to hold their own against Korvac. Being a straight up G does though.

Its a bit late and certain posters are irritating me....

edit: also having a hard time thinking of a name for one of my characters on CO.

Originally posted by Deadline
Its a bit late and certain posters are irritating me....

Originally posted by cdtm
Generally speaking, most comic book message boards place writer opinion below on panel feats.

Writer's opinions are below canon on panel evidence... but several levels above irrelevant non canon cross over bullshit where Venom can beat up Superman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Writer's opinions are below canon on panel evidence... but several levels above irrelevant non canon cross over bullshit where Venom can beat up Superman.

depends on the writer and what happens on panel.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Writer's opinions are below canon on panel evidence... but several levels above irrelevant non canon cross over bullshit where Venom can beat up Superman.

In what world skrank? In what world?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Venom beating Superman is bad writing?

In what world skrank? In what world?

I meant Venom having trouble beating up Superman, obviously.