Isnt Thors son held hostage through part of that fight? I remember Cap getting melted a page or two after that scan.
Even though Cap somehow supposedly had time to master every single martial art while fighting WW2 and being frozen id still say Batman is a better h2h fighter.
Who has a more durable suit?
Originally posted by AzeldCap got melted because he looked away, and thor snatched him, if not Thor wouldve been beheaded,
Isnt Thors son held hostage through part of that fight? I remember Cap getting melted a page or two after that scan.Even though Cap somehow supposedly had time to master every single martial art while fighting WW2 and being frozen id still say Batman is a better h2h fighter.
Who has a more durable suit?
Cap Trains far more than bats, if works out all the time, he doesnt have to lead a double life, meaning hes pretty much a fulltime hero, giving him far more training time, and since he is more durable he can train harder for longer.
Caps suit is more durable batmans suit is durable enough to take mst low caliber rounds, Caps has taken rifle rounds from close range, with no penetration
Originally posted by King KAM
Cap got melted because he looked away, and thor snatched him, if not Thor wouldve been beheaded,Cap Trains far more than bats, if works out all the time, he doesnt have to lead a double life, meaning hes pretty much a fulltime hero, giving him far more training time, and since he is more durable he can train harder for longer.
Caps suit is more durable batmans suit is durable enough to take mst low caliber rounds, Caps has taken rifle rounds from close range, with no penetration
Are you seriosuly suggesting that Captain America would've beaten Thor in a straight up fight? 🤨 The whole thing was crap, Thor takes nukes like nothing. Mjolnir has enough power to blow up the freaking planet. You're talking about a guy who lifted the Midgard Serpent. In a serious fight, Thor would flick Cap's head off. It's as ridiculous as Spiderman taking out freaking Firelord.
Batman works out constantly... Yes, even when he's seriously injured. He fights crime for 4 days at a time for God's sake, what more do you want?
Batman has been training since his childhood. Cap began AFTER he got the serum. His actual training was very very short. Batman has many years on him, and both train constantly. Batman's double life... isn't much of a double life. He is Batman first, Bruce Wayne second. He keeps up with his training and fights crime BEFORE running his company. The man is completely obsessed.
Batman got a board smashed over the back of his neck, without moving. He was shot from point blank repeatedly. Hell, an OMAC tried to cut him, but failed. It ended up just slicing through his belt.
Ooh, this is fun... I'll take your rifles and raise you a sniper. Batman willingly takes shots to the back of the head to keep the thugs scared. 🙂 That Batman and his mind games...
Needless to say, both suits are exceedingly durable. You still haven't said ANYTHING about how Cap's going to survive any one of the various killing techniques that Batman knows. The fight will be over well before either begins to tire. Who's on top is the real question...
5/10 each.
Originally posted by DizzleHes goping to survive the techniques simply by not being hit with them, Cap has trained exstensivley with Black Panther,and Iron Fist, who both are master of Deadly Martial arts, Death touches, normally only work on oppponents less of your caliber, because they take to much conscentration or leave you wide open, hence him not using them on Shiva Batgirl,DS,or Arzeal.
Are you seriosuly suggesting that Captain America would've beaten Thor in a straight up fight? 🤨 The whole thing was crap, Thor takes nukes like nothing. Mjolnir has enough power to blow up the freaking planet. You're talking about a guy who lifted the Midgard Serpent. In a serious fight, Thor would flick Cap's head off. It's as ridiculous as Spiderman taking out freaking Firelord.Batman works out constantly... Yes, even when he's seriously injured. He fights crime for 4 days at a time for God's sake, what more do you want?
Batman has been training since his childhood. Cap began AFTER he got the serum. His actual training was very very short. Batman has many years on him, and both train constantly. Batman's double life... isn't much of a double life. He is Batman first, Bruce Wayne second. He keeps up with his training and fights crime BEFORE running his company. The man is completely obsessed.
Batman got a board smashed over the back of his neck, without moving. He was shot from point blank repeatedly. Hell, an OMAC tried to cut him, but failed. It ended up just slicing through his belt.
Ooh, this is fun... I'll take your rifles and raise you a sniper. Batman willingly takes shots to the back of the head to keep the thugs scared. 🙂 That Batman and his mind games...
Needless to say, both suits are exceedingly durable. You still haven't said ANYTHING about how Cap's going to survive any one of the various killing techniques that Batman knows. The fight will be over well before either begins to tire. Who's on top is the real question...
5/10 each.
And Batman doesnt kill people, forum rules mean that he must stay in character.
And Captain Fights crime 7 days a week, he gets NO time off, he is an Agent of Shield, An Avenger, and his own hero. And your scan shows him struggling to do 300 pounds once. Not impressive enough
But you yourself have doubts, because if Batman could really do all this shit that you claim, than you would say he takes the majority, but you yourself have doubts in him.
Originally posted by King KAM
Hes goping to survive the techniques simply by not being hit with them, Cap has trained exstensivley with Black Panther,and Iron Fist, who both are master of Deadly Martial arts, Death touches, normally only work on oppponents less of your caliber, because they take to much conscentration or leave you wide open, hence him not using them on Shiva Batgirl,DS,or Arzeal.And Batman doesnt kill people, forum rules mean that he must stay in character.
And Captain Fights crime 7 days a week, he gets NO time off, he is an Agent of Shield, An Avenger, and his own hero. And your scan shows him struggling to do 300 pounds once. Not impressive enough
But you yourself have doubts, because if Batman could really do all this shit that you claim, than you would say he takes the majority, but you yourself have doubts in him.
Batman is lifting those weights with a broken back. Ive seen him lift 1000 pounds, bend metal and take hits from Darkseid.
I just want to say this. We all know Bats has been trining since he was young and Cap didnt start till he got the serum. BUT Cap got the serum in 1940(I believe. Maybe a year earlier). Thats about 20 years before Bats was even born. So either way doesnt Cap still have more training experience than Bats?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerYes, but Cap still should have more experience, he has been in combat ever since he has been re-animated, cap doesnt take ANY days off. and its IMPOSSIBLE to move with a broken back, thats just human physiology.
But he spent like thirty years in that ice cube...until Namor saved him.
And ive seen Cap Drop the Hulk in 1 kick.
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Pressure points and martial arts
Originally posted by Azeldif cap had like 12 series going at once hed have all these feats too......but marvel actually has a roster of more than one cool hero, so they dont need to cloud it with 50 seires of the same guy.
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Captain America after a furious battle, Batman will simply slow down and they are from different universes but simply put they are the best h2h (non superpowered) in their respective universes so i say that they are both too close to call but it comes down to Caps endurance, strength, and senses>>>>bats but it would not be a walk in the park but i say Caps 7 1/2-8 out of 10 i think a better and more interesting fight would be Batman vs. Mister X
Topic one: Batman not sleeping for days.
I read a comic, it might have been in the Knightfall series, where Batman is meditating and clearly says that meditating for 3 hours, the way Batman does, is equivalent to sleeping 8 hours.
We all know that Batman does meditate. Most hardcore martial artists all do.
Topic two: Batman healing himself.
In the sequel to "10 Nights of the Beast" where Batman is fighting the KGB Beast's successor, Batman jumps out of a moving train and severely injures himself.
At the hospital, the doctors say that it looks as if Batman has shut his body down completely to speed up the healing. He had reached a very deep meditative state to achieve this.
Back to the topic of Bats vs Cap.
Batman has way to many skills, arsenal, strategy, mental capabilities to lose to Cap. yes, it would be a great fight, but Batman just knows too much, and is not afraid to use them skills.
Let's face it, what Cap has achieved in taking the super soldier serum, Batman has achieved through extensive, obsessive, compulsive hard work.
If anyone has any scans they can share of Batman meditating for sleep and his injuries, please post them. Thanks.
Originally posted by King KAM
Hes goping to survive the techniques simply by not being hit with them, Cap has trained exstensivley with Black Panther,and Iron Fist, who both are master of Deadly Martial arts, Death touches, normally only work on oppponents less of your caliber, because they take to much conscentration or leave you wide open, hence him not using them on Shiva Batgirl,DS,or Arzeal.And Batman doesnt kill people, forum rules mean that he must stay in character.
And Captain Fights crime 7 days a week, he gets NO time off, he is an Agent of Shield, An Avenger, and his own hero. And your scan shows him struggling to do 300 pounds once. Not impressive enough
But you yourself have doubts, because if Batman could really do all this shit that you claim, than you would say he takes the majority, but you yourself have doubts in him.
Does Cap have an anti pressure point aura? Do his "skillz" automatically protect him from getting hit in those places? I have scans of Batman USING the techniques. How can you even say it would be CIS for him to do so, when I have scans of him using several of them? 🤨 It's not going to be a guaranteed hit, but if Batman specifically targets those places, as I've shown he can, how long can Cap dodge? Hell, even nixing the pressure points, Batman strikes hard enough to knock down trees. And Aquaman. Hell, name me one feat that Cap has that you think Batman COULDN'T do. He doesn't need to take Cap out in one shot, he'll do it by punching him in the face over and over again.
And as to not killing...
He doesn't enjoy it by any means, but he's no Superman. In a fight to the death... He'll bring the freaking death.
Still going over training and workouts? Both train a ton. Batman HAS been training longer, because Cap was frozen for so long. Taking those years out of his life, the two are roughly the same age, Batman started a lot earlier. His training was much more extensive. Cap trains to stay in shape, and to keep the form that he has in top condition. But he doesn't get better. Batman was initially trained to be better, and keeps it up just as well as Cap does. The fact that one puts in an extra hour at the gym won't make much of a difference, as they're both as close to perfect as they're going to get. They're both in perfect shape, Bamtan's fighting will ALWAYS be better, until Cap gets his butt to Asia and finds a hermit or two to teach him the real way to fight.
I have "doubts" therefore Cap wins? So every thread involving Wolverine should have Wolverine win, because there's at least 5 or 6 guys who will post "WULBEREEEN 10/10!!!!!111"? No doubt there, are they right? No, I've posted scan after scan that proves that Batman is slightly superior to Cap in some areas, and at the very least competetive in all. Nothing I've shown really blows Cap's capabilities out of the water, but I HAVE shown that whatever Cap can do, Batman can do just as well. They are too evenly matched for either to take 10/10, though the drooling fanboys will tell you otherwise. 😉
Batman with prep-time would win, batman may not start with initial prep time, but every second that is between Batman and Captain America is prep time to batman. Utilizing second after second of sheer prep time batman combines these nano seconds and microseconds together over the course of two seconds to formulate a solid, full proof plan of taking down Captain America. Batman formulates that if he pushes his body to the max and tenses his muscles faster then humanly possible (he is batman he can do this) that he can cause the friction around his body to multiply ten thousand fold causing a rip in the moisture in the air around him and captain planet, he suffocates Captain America before he knows what hit him literally.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Batman with prep-time would win, batman may not start with initial prep time, but every second that is between Batman and Captain America is prep time to batman. Utilizing second after second of sheer prep time batman combines these nano seconds and microseconds together over the course of two seconds to formulate a solid, full proof plan of taking down Captain America. Batman formulates that if he pushes his body to the max and tenses his muscles faster then humanly possible (he is batman he can do this) that he can cause the friction around his body to multiply ten thousand fold causing a rip in the moisture in the air around him and captain planet, he suffocates Captain America before he knows what hit him literally.
What the hell? That would be fuggin awesome, but I'm pretty sure you'd need like... Flash+Hulk for something like that. Probably not even physically possible for Flulk, probably not even phsically possible period. Batman's definitely not pulling that off. And don't bring up prep time, this is a h2h fight for a reason...
Originally posted by Dizzle
Does Cap have an anti pressure point aura? Do his "skillz" automatically protect him from getting hit in those places? I have scans of Batman USING the techniques. How can you even say it would be CIS for him to do so, when I have scans of him using several of them? 🤨 It's not going to be a guaranteed hit, but if Batman specifically targets those places, as I've shown he can, how long can Cap dodge? Hell, even nixing the pressure points, Batman strikes hard enough to knock down trees. And Aquaman. Hell, name me one feat that Cap has that you think Batman COULDN'T do. He doesn't need to take Cap out in one shot, he'll do it by punching him in the face over and over again.And as to not killing...
He doesn't enjoy it by any means, but he's no Superman. In a fight to the death... He'll bring the freaking death.Still going over training and workouts? Both train a ton. Batman HAS been training longer, because Cap was frozen for so long. Taking those years out of his life, the two are roughly the same age, Batman started a lot earlier. His training was much more extensive. Cap trains to stay in shape, and to keep the form that he has in top condition. But he doesn't get better. Batman was initially trained to be better, and keeps it up just as well as Cap does. The fact that one puts in an extra hour at the gym won't make much of a difference, as they're both as close to perfect as they're going to get. They're both in perfect shape, Bamtan's fighting will ALWAYS be better, until Cap gets his butt to Asia and finds a hermit or two to teach him the real way to fight.
I have "doubts" therefore Cap wins? So every thread involving Wolverine should have Wolverine win, because there's at least 5 or 6 guys who will post "WULBEREEEN 10/10!!!!!111"? No doubt there, are they right? No, I've posted scan after scan that proves that Batman is slightly superior to Cap in some areas, and at the very least competetive in all. Nothing I've shown really blows Cap's capabilities out of the water, but I HAVE shown that whatever Cap can do, Batman can do just as well. They are too evenly matched for either to take 10/10, though the drooling fanboys will tell you otherwise. 😉
Captain doesnt need to go to asia to learn how to fight, thats all just
DC bullshit because when bats was created they were all into the mystical kung-fu era. Which is B.S. in real life very few eastern asian arts have proven to be so effective. Captain America dont need no kung fu to be Batmans equal, he just needs to be unmatchable in h2h which he is. He has no h2h losses on his belt against people his level, meaning he is the champ not a contender
Dont mention me and Wulberene fanboys in the same sentence, i know my shit, they dont so let that shit die right then and there.
Originally posted by King KAM
Captain doesnt need to go to asia to learn how to fight, thats all just
DC bullshit because when bats was created they were all into the mystical kung-fu era. Which is B.S. in real life very few eastern asian arts have proven to be so effective. Captain America dont need no kung fu to be Batmans equal, he just needs to be unmatchable in h2h which he is. He has no h2h losses on his belt against people his level, meaning he is the champ not a contenderDont mention me and Wulberene fanboys in the same sentence, i know my shit, they dont so let that shit die right then and there.
Not effective alone, true, but some are quite useful when incorporated into a more mixed way of fighting...
Plus the fact that Bruce trained in Asia wasn't my point. In terms of fighting, Batman knows what Cap knows... and more. Cap trains, but he does not improve, because he isn't studying anything new. He works out with weights and trains to maintain agility and such, but he doesn't work to further his martial arts technique. So training more won't make him a better fighter, no matter how much he does train.
Isn't "unmatchable in h2h" a bit biased? Is he better than Mantis? Gamora? Karnak? Karate Kid? Who has he fought who's seriosuly noteworthy? Most other Marvel martial artists have enough crappy feats to discredit them forever. Cap simply doesn't fight MA's on the level of Lady Shiva, Batgirl, and Richard Dragon.
And the "WULBEREEEN" comment was in answer to your "you're not confident, I win" comment. It's pure BS, you were grasping at straws. You're not an illogical fanboy, but that specific point was pretty pathetic.
Originally posted by DizzleI said he is the Champ becuase whenever he fights h2h, he steps up to the plate, you CANT count cap out untill they throw hands, because when they do....i think cap will show us that he knows some top secret government special forces moves that They dont know, just like they know some mystic secret asian moves that he doesnt.
Not effective alone, true, but some are quite useful when incorporated into a more mixed way of fighting...Plus the fact that Bruce trained in Asia wasn't my point. In terms of fighting, Batman knows what Cap knows... and more. Cap trains, but he does not improve, because he isn't studying anything new. He works out with weights and trains to maintain agility and such, but he doesn't work to further his martial arts technique. So training more won't make him a better fighter, no matter how much he does train.
Isn't "unmatchable in h2h" a bit biased? Is he better than Mantis? Gamora? Karnak? Karate Kid? Who has he fought who's seriosuly noteworthy? Most other Marvel martial artists have enough crappy feats to discredit them forever. Cap simply doesn't fight MA's on the level of Lady Shiva, Batgirl, and Richard Dragon.
And the "WULBEREEEN" comment was in answer to your "you're not confident, I win" comment. It's pure BS, you were grasping at straws. You're not an illogical fanboy, but that specific point was pretty pathetic.
