Originally posted by Deadline
Complete and utter nonsense. Heres how I can make that assumption...I know the difference between Cap without the SSS was neglible therefore he can obvoulsy beat Spiderman without the upgrade. Simple.
It is still a jump of faith and wild speculation, I can understand your general position, but it's this kind of "twisting facts" that keeps me coming back to point out the flaws I see in your arguing. I mean, for all I know you can be right but some of your arguments are not all that logical as you seem to claim.
Originally posted by Deadline
Were do you come off telling me I'm speculating when you're the one who stated that Batman would murder Cap in h2h without the SSS?.
"Murder" was a word of emphasis, I do think Batman wins the majority. I take back the murder statement if you're arguing against that.
Originally posted by Deadline
Again I'm doing one hell of a job while you're providing absolutely nothing.
In my defense I did mention the Grodd showing 😛
Originally posted by Deadline
Its a showing of extreme skill. When we get two martial artists and we try to prove whos more skillful we look at various things. This is why Temugin is considered a better martial artist than Cap. Temugin has showings like hitting a being made of light, flipping over a tank and smashing Iron Man's face plate but hes only fought Iron Man. Hulk and Puma. According to that logic hes less skillful than Cap but when we take everything into consideration hes probably a better martial artist..
The same thing with Cap, he has better training, more experience, fights more dangerous opponents and can use high precison strikes and pressure point attacks. You could argue that if we took any of these points individually that none of them prove anything but when we take what he does as a whole it proves hes more skillful.
Originally posted by Deadline
This I understand up to a point, the Temugin example is a good one, but as I mentioned Batman has his good showings against Metas, and the fact that Captain does it often, doesn't take away from Batman doing it several time through his career..
This is why I think you're trying to troll sometimes. Crossbones is a martial arts expert with a near peak human physique and you're trying to tell me its a bit on the sidelines? 🤨
Originally posted by Deadline
This would be an interesting discussion, I've seen Crossbones get handled quickly by Cap and Bucky, but also he has done well against both..
Wait I thought neutralizing bricks wasn't relevant? The point is that its a checklist. We have already proven that Cap has more experience, now we know that he fights more dangerous opponents on a regular basis. Why does Batman get a free pass?
Originally posted by Deadline
The basis in which Cap fights opponents that Batman also fights has no relevance because Batman fights metas. You are making and argument about Batman fighting thugs in his books, but in the countless other books in which Batman appears he fights metas. To me there is a jump into conclussions that have nothing to do with the amount of battling nor experience..
You can do a direct comparison and Batman loses.
Originally posted by Deadline
Whos better trained? Cap..
Batman is very well trained, but I think Batman wins only against Steve without the SSS. In that case Batman has superior strength feats and probably better speed, even if we admit Steve has any significant edge in skill.
Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure if that was sarcasm. Still waiting for proof.
I don't think I will be providing any proof because I don't really like Batman that much, and surfing through Batman comics for this debate isn't my idea of fun. I could use the respect thread I suppose, but I have you in a higher consideration that to use comics I haven't read, it would be as insulting as pretending that I will provide good proof when I won't.
It would be cool if someone who actually likes Batman enough jumped in, as I pointed out several of your arguments are quite interesting, but it won't be me anytime soon 🙁
Really it's not my intention to make you feel as if you lost your time, I try to listen and analyse your arguments and learn from the stuff. I've read other debates about Batman's skill and that's why I believe the position of Batman vs Steve without the serum can be defended, but hey, I can be wrong eventually, right?
