Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Castle has gone to war with Daredevil in competitive fights more than all the times Batman has fought a top 10 martial artist combined... and yet everyone sleeps on Franks skills. most would think 🙁

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
As for Wolverine, he [b]is head and shoulders (which is the saying you are looking for) above those guys. His feats speak for themselves. When any of the characters you mention beat a Shang-Chi caliber opponent in three panels or successfully implement a potentially fatal pressure point on a Captain America level opponent in combat, we can start to talk about how they stack up to Wolverine but as it stands right now, they don't. [/B]

And it wasn't a pressure point.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
👆 👇 Go away.

And it wasn't a pressure point.

I was being serious, excluding Batman's irrelevant Pre-Crisis throw downs with Shiva, Dragon and BT, Punisher v Daredevil out number the times Batman has fought a top 10 MA. Now keep in mind that Punisher and DD have quite literally fought each other a dozen times.

None of those characters have a legitimate win over a Shang-Chi caliber opponent in three panels, and none of them have successfully implemented pressure points successfully on Captain America level opponent during combat. You saying "Go away." doesn't change the fact that I'm right... as per usual. If you can't think of a legitimate rebuttal... don't bother quoting me. It just makes you look stupid... and lets be honest you don't need any extra help at that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I was being serious, excluding Batman's irrelevant Pre-Crisis throw downs with Shiva, Dragon and BT, Punisher v Daredevil out number the times Batman has fought a top 10 MA. Now keep in mind that Punisher and DD have quite literally fought each other a dozen times.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
None of those characters have a legitimate win over a Shang-Chi caliber opponent in three panels, and none of them have successfully implemented pressure points successfully on Captain America level opponent during combat. You saying "Go away." doesn't change the fact that I'm right... as per usual. If you can't think of a legitimate rebuttal... don't bother quoting me. It just makes you look stupid... and lets be honest you don't need any extra help at that.

And reread Wolverine Origins. It wasn't an MA-style pressure point.

EDIT: For language.

Daredevil has defeated Wolverine in three panels. That's fact.

^Its Garth Ennis. He hates superheroes, so it doesn't count because his hate made him one superhero beat another superhero in 3 panels in a superhero comic. Nevermind that Ennis has written one of the best superman stories in Hitman 34.

Is it still canon? If so my recommendation would be "suck it up".

It's canon. So is his story when class 2 Russian oneshotted Spider-man only to lose to an unarmed Punisher. Ennis doesn't really hate heroes, he on purpose makes them look like idiots. Ennis' Wolverine screams like a girl and begs for help when in trouble. Good for laughs but shouldn't be taken seriously. Much like Dr.Doom being affraid Squirrel Girl.

I take Doctor Doom being scared of Squirrel Girl very seriously uhuh

Originally posted by SamZED
It's canon. So is his story when class 2 Russian oneshotted Spider-man only to lose to an unarmed Punisher. Ennis doesn't really hate heroes, he on purpose makes them look like idiots. Ennis' Wolverine screams like a girl and begs for help when in trouble. Good for laughs but shouldn't be taken seriously. Much like Dr.Doom being affraid Squirrel Girl.

You mean when Logan was reduced to a half-skeleton? Most guys would forget about their proud and call for help if something like that happened.

Cyborg Russian was only class 2? Nah, couldn't be. And it took more than one hit anyway.

BTW I loved Ennis' The Thousand story. Especially the flashbacks in which Carl King bullied Parker 😛

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

None of those characters have a legitimate win over a Shang-Chi caliber opponent in three panels, and none of them have successfully implemented pressure points successfully on Captain America level opponent during combat. You saying "Go away." doesn't change the fact that I'm right... as per usual. If you can't think of a legitimate rebuttal... don't bother quoting me. It just makes you look stupid... and lets be honest you don't need any extra help at that.

Context!

Originally posted by Bentley
I take Doctor Doom being scared of Squirrel Girl very seriously uhuh

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You mean when Logan was reduced to a half-skeleton? Most guys would forget about their proud and call for help if something like that happened.

Cyborg Russian was only class 2? Nah, couldn't be. And it took more than one hit anyway.

BTW I loved Ennis' The Thousand story. Especially the flashbacks in which Carl King bullied Parker 😛

His bio says he "might" be class 10 but its a speculation as he has no feats to back that up. Been awhile since ive read it by i think he speedblitzed Spider-man.😬

Lol how do you even remember that bully's name? I cant help but admire how much thought you put into hating Spider-man.😄

people are asking me how do you manage being in such a great shape? the answer is bananas i eat banans and plenty of them, aside of that i drink a lot of milk and that combination is a killer

Batman is peak human for DC and Cap is peak human for Marvel. They just get to the same result in different ways. Batman through training and sheer will to beat up bad guys, Cap through the SSS. Both have stats that go way past what there bio's read so its basically a pointless debate. im going with batman because he has better movies. One thing I did notice on the Marvel site that helped explain some of the arguments for Cap I have read on here is in the chart in his bio look at the difference between what Marvel says and what fans say. Just saying

Originally posted by logicgeek
Batman is peak human for DC and Cap is peak human for Marvel. They just get to the same result in different ways. Batman through training and sheer will to beat up bad guys, Cap through the SSS. Both have stats that go way past what there bio's read so its basically a pointless debate. im going with batman because he has better movies. One thing I did notice on the Marvel site that helped explain some of the arguments for Cap I have read on here is in the chart in his bio look at the difference between what Marvel says and what fans say. Just saying

so basically in other words you crap on all the feats presented by cap that were writen years on top of years on top of years, by different writers that all agreed that cap is super human and all that goes to the trash can compared to a F***** bio, WHY do you read comics then? comics is overrated seriously stick with the bios and handbooks, infact lets open a whole new site that focus on the bio's from 20 years ago and call it the bio site, oh wait a second you already got wikipedia right? well in that case i dont think you should ever read comics they just lead you to false conclusions just stay with wikipedia the best source ever.

Theres the fact that theyre physically comparable in feats. Also bruce has more martial arts credentials.

Originally posted by red sabre
so basically in other words you crap on all the feats presented by cap that were writen years on top of years on top of years, by different writers that all agreed that cap is super human and all that goes to the trash can compared to a F***** bio, WHY do you read comics then? comics is overrated seriously stick with the bios and handbooks, infact lets open a whole new site that focus on the bio's from 20 years ago and call it the bio site, oh wait a second you already got wikipedia right? well in that case i dont think you should ever read comics they just lead you to false conclusions just stay with wikipedia the best source ever.

Yea...anyone that actually reads comic can tell you that Cap is physically superior and has comparable skill.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Theres the fact that theyre physically comparable in feats. Also bruce has more martial arts credentials.

Which makes him a better martial artist than Karate Kid or any martial artist in comics...duh.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Theres the fact that theyre physically comparable in feats. Also bruce has more martial arts credentials.

no they are not, that was proved by me and other posters already, batman poping his shoulder from weight lifting and barrely able to push a wooden totem pole off his leg vs lifting trees, tearing off and supporting a statue 2.5 times the size of cap and 3 times wider, supporting a whole building structure, holding a telephone pole on his shoulder, one shotting buildings atc atc atc

skills? lets see captain america dominates street levelers all the time and beats top MA guys which makes him the top of the food chain in marvel, batman getting beat up by fighters at lady shiva caliber and vergin raped by slade, the problem is people like you who look at the pictures and say wow batman did a cool kick and he is stated to be a ninja he cool, captain america deliver some averege punch and kick he is no cool, get real

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea...anyone that actually reads comic can tell you that Cap is physically superior and has comparable skill.

Originally posted by Deadline
Which makes him a better martial artist than Karate Kid or any martial artist in comics...duh.

quoting me twice with no answer suppose to mean something? 😬