Originally posted by cdtm
If Bats is going to lose after a "very long time", that pegs Cap as below Slade. 😛
Not really. Considering when Slade fought Batman the first time that Slade was so hurt afterwards that a regular guy with his hands tied was kicked the crud out of Slade.
Plus Cap isn't normaly in kill mode like Slade is in a fight. He actually holds back against people weaker then himself.
Originally posted by namorsubby
If he wrote batmans lines, he could have LITERALLY had him say that. If that was the intent, why did he have him say something that isn't close to meaning the same?Also, you ignored this:
Either way, the writer of another crossover encounter between the two stated that their fight scene in which they were equally matched was exactly how himself and his creative team envisioned it. EVERY time these two meet up they are displayed as so closely matched. Undoubtedly because people who make comics know comics.
He did have him say that, another quote from Kurt
Kurt wrote:
To my eye, that's about as close as Batman can come to admitting defeat out loud. But to each his own.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok wait, let me understand this:Namor, you say that the people who write comics ultimately know best.
Silent, you're agreeing, and then showing something (allegedly) from Busiek where he says Cap is more skilled.
I'm not quite sure what you two are arguing about, lol. Unless its about the provenance of that Busiek quote....
At first he was arguing that the writers of the crossovers showed them as equals, now that I've proven that stance wrong, he's arguing that the writer of the comic doesn't know what he's talking about.
And what about the other crossover writer's statement? I guess thats irrelevant, right? You guys have selective memory.
Also, he wasn't SHOWN to be inferior in jla/avngers. They stalemated.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Not really. Considering when Slade fought Batman the first time that Slade was so hurt afterwards that a regular guy with his hands tied was kicked the crud out of Slade.Plus Cap isn't normaly in kill mode like Slade is in a fight. He actually holds back against people weaker then himself.
Originally posted by namorsubby
And what about the other crossover writer's statement? I guess thats irrelevant, right? You guys have selective memory.Also, he wasn't SHOWN to be inferior in jla/avngers. They stalemated.
Slade was losing his power since before his encounter with flash in that solo series. Also, Slade was simply fending off bruce. Learn, then comment.
Sure he was, that's why he stopped fighting and admitted Cap was more skilled.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Slade was losing his power since before his encounter with flash in that solo series. Also, Slade was simply fending off bruce. Learn, then comment.
Slade mentioned the advantage his enhancement gave him during the fight. Wrong is wrong and you are wrong.
Even in another encounter Bruce knocked him out cold while Slade had his sword and ready to use.
Originally posted by Daredevil1I did not say he was completely depowered. If you had read the series, you would know what i'm talking about.
Slade mentioned the advantage his enhancement gave him during the fight. Wrong is wrong and you are wrong.Even in another encounter Bruce knocked him out cold while Slade had his sword and ready to use.
He was steadily losing power for several issues until he had none. Then they were restored. Learn about a character than make comments.
Also, Slade effortlessly trounced bruce several times after being suckered in the instance you spoke of. you guys love to leave out the part that inconvienent to your stance:
Originally posted by namorsubby
Detective Comics #708:Scales a wall by driving his fingers into it.
Deathstroke Vs, Batman
Whoops him and goes about his business, but Bruce doesn't give so easily.
Batman catches him off guard again, and wails on him. Too bad Slade is tough though, he gets up and takes Bats down in one blow, and goes about his business. Bruce doesn't give up so easily though.lol
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.lol
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Originally posted by Silent MasterThey both stopped. If one stops while the other continues fighting, the one who stops loses. That did not occur.
Sure he was, that's why he stopped fighting and admitted Cap was more skilled.
Batman said you could concievably beat me after a very long time. Its funny how you religiously recite one writers qoute and completely ignore the one who said him and his whole creative team saw bruce and cap stalemating.
Originally posted by namorsubbywhy do you guys even bother using crossover references?
They both stopped. If one stops while the other continues fighting, the one who stops loses. That did not occur.Batman said you could concievably beat me after a very long time. Its funny how you religiously recite one writers qoute and completely ignore the one who said him and his whole creative team saw bruce and cap stalemating.
I'm not attempting to claim crossovers are legit. I'm citing the fact those involved with making them agreed that the cap vs batman scenes are how they actually envisioned the fight going. In other words, people who actually work in comics agree that cap and bats are closely matched.
I try to get a single point across, but those who respond veer off on other subjects without addressing the points that they cannot disprove.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I did not say he was completely depowered. If you had read the series, you would know what i'm talking about.He was steadily losing power for several issues until he had none. Then they were restored. Learn about a character than make comments.
Also, Slade effortlessly trounced bruce several times after being suckered in the instance you spoke of. you guys love to leave out the part that inconvienent to your stance:
Wrong he did have his abilities against Bruce, its after is when they went wonky.
And I'm still right Bruce KO out. 🙂 When his abilities were there. And he hurt him badly the first time, when his abilities were good to go.
Originally posted by Daredevil1no. He mentioned his powers declining before that issue. I've documented every instance you've mentioned already in my respect thread. I know. Please go back and read so you can know what youre taking about.
Wrong he did have his abilities against Bruce, its after is when they went wonky.And I'm still right Bruce KO out. 🙂 When his abilities were there. And he hurt him badly the first time, when his abilities were good to go.
That was a young slade with no knowledge of who he was before including training etc. he still trounced bruce twice after being cheap-shotted every time.
Originally posted by namorsubby
They both stopped. If one stops while the other continues fighting, the one who stops loses. That did not occur.Batman said you could concievably beat me after a very long time. Its funny how you religiously recite one writers qoute and completely ignore the one who said him and his whole creative team saw bruce and cap stalemating.
Batman stopped fighting because he knew Cap was more skilled and would have kicked his A$$.
Originally posted by namorsubby
no. He mentioned his powers declining before that issue. I've documented every instance you've mentioned already in my respect thread. I know. Please go back and read so you can know what youre taking about.That was a young slade with no knowledge of who he was before including training etc. he still trounced bruce twice after being cheap-shotted every time.
Slade himself stated they thought his abilities were gone, while his wife was speaking about his abilities, but Slade stated his abilities had come back way before his fight with Bruce.
And the Slade that was KO'ed by Bruce with a gun rifle while Slade had his sword? Was that also a young in experienced Slade. Nope plus that time Slade also had his abilities.......which is my point.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Slade himself stated they thought his abilities were gone, while his wife was speaking about his abilities, but Slade stated his abilities had come back way before his fight with Bruce.And the Slade that was KO'ed by Bruce with a gun rifle while Slade had his sword? Was that also a young in experienced Slade. Nope plus that time Slade also had his abilities.......which is my point.
In the instance where bruce "koed" slade after being trounced twice slade had none of his experience and training to help him. He also was never unconscious. Therefore he was never koed. I posted it here. Please go take a look.
Originally posted by namorsubby
His powers had been declining up until the point where he lost them completely. This began happening before the 7th issue. This is a fact. So please check your "facts".In the instance where bruce "koed" slade after being trounced twice slade had none of his experience and training to help him. He also was never unconscious. Therefore he was never koed. I posted it here. Please go take a look.
Slade lost to the point that after the KO Bats put him in hand cuffs IIRC or tied him up I can't remember which one. Indicating he was out or to helpless to do anything about it.
And Slade still had his military training/experience. So why are you even claiming no experience, seems to be incorrect.
