Captain America vs Batman(no shield-no gadgets)

Started by Deadline220 pages

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Websters defines intelligence as

Noun: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations.

Batman is more intelligent

Um that defintion doesn't contradict what I said. It says 'the ability to learn' not knowing more stuff. Knowing more stuff isn't intelligence thats knowledge.

EDIT: In fact I'm not even sure if you can say Batman knows more stuff, Batman defintely knows more science.

Originally posted by Deadline
EDIT: In fact I'm not even sure if you can say Batman knows more stuff

😕

We agree Batman has learned more things

What is your argument?
Cap is the better leader, but Batman is smarter

Originally posted by Deadline

EDIT: In fact I'm not even sure if you can say Batman knows more stuff, Batman defintely knows more science.

Well, yeah, Cap prob knows more about life in the 30s and 40s...but what else would he have an advantage in? Music? Art? Languages?

Originally posted by quab
I understand that Captain America is physically better than Batman, and their skillset is nearly equal, but I think Bruce might have a chance to win in a fight. Maybe I keep thinking Captain America wouldn't be injured, but I guess I can agree with you that Captain America would take this fight. The location was in a Octagon ring. If it were in a different setting (like a city), and/or both sides were given prep then I'd think Bruce would win.

IOW, Batman needs prep time to beat Cap.

Thanks for admitting Cap > Batman in hth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, yeah, Cap prob knows more about life in the 30s and 40s...but what else would he have an advantage in? Music? Art? Languages?

Combat and Military tactics, that could cover a wide variety of topics. He probably knows more about espionage than Batman does as well.

Originally posted by Deadline
Combat and Military tactics, that could cover a wide variety of topics. He probably knows more about espionage than Batman does as well.

Batman sneaks up on superman and in spectre's impenetrable hideout. Cap has done.................................what exactly in espionage?

Bats sneaks are pis filled but I agree he's the better spy

Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman sneaks up on superman and in spectre's impenetrable hideout. Cap has done.................................what exactly in espionage?

Batman specifically stated in at least one example that he used tech. I think its been mentioned that Spectre let that happen.

Batman knows more science.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Bats sneaks are pis filled but I agree he's the better spy

Theres more to espionage than spying on somebody. Batman would be a better spy because of the tech. Take that away would he be better?

Well, yes, there's more to espionage than just James Bond gadgets.

There's also the need to convince people that you're something you're not.

If only Batman had, I don't know...SOME experience of leading a double life. Almost like a second persona....

Actually, he spies. A lot. Ask Matches Malone.

Lol, just did a quick Google:

Other aliases of Batman:
Matches Malone, Thomas Quigley, Ragman, Detective Hawke, Sir Hemingford Grey, Frank Dixon, Gordon Selkirk, and Mr. Fledermaus.

Yeah, he seems to go undercover as a spy almost as much as he goes Batmanning.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, yes, there's more to espionage than just James Bond gadgets.

There's also the need to convince people that you're something you're not.

If only Batman had, I don't know...SOME experience of leading a double life. Almost like a second persona....

Actually, he spies. A lot. Ask Matches Malone.

Yea because Cap doesn't have any experience leading a double life. Almost every super hero does...duh.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Yeah, he seems to go undercover as a spy almost as much as he goes Batmanning.

Lets not exaggerate now. Cap has gone undercover alot as well, the stuff he did during WW2 would have included espionage, so please Cap has more experience in this area.

Bucky is actually better at espionage and spying than Steve is. Not to say Cap's undercover work is terrible, but not in the same league as either Bucky's or Bruce's. And Cap wouldn't have more experience doing those kind of missions than Batman does.

But I can't really see any argument against Bruce being more intelligent than Steve is. He's mastered various sciences, psychology, engineering, and other fields.

Of course, all this means jack in an actual fight.

Batman isn't smarter as it relates to fighting

That said, I always find it funny when Batman fans try to give him a HTH win based on his IQ. I'd like to see them try that argument in a Mike Tyson vs Stephen Hawking thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Batman isn't smarter as it relates to fighting

That said, I always find it funny when Batman fans try to give him a HTH win based on his IQ. I'd like to see them try that argument in a Mike Tyson vs Stephen Hawking thread.

that's silly. Hawkings cant move. 🙄

now if it was Neil Tyson, He would work Mike Tyson like a redheaded stepchild.

Hawkings would just mindrape Tyson, obviously.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
that's silly. Hawkings cant move. 🙄

now if it was Neil Tyson, He would work Mike Tyson like a redheaded stepchild.

He moves via tech, so he's a tech user with a very high IQ...my comparison stands. 😈

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Bucky is actually better at espionage and spying than Steve is. Not to say Cap's undercover work is terrible, but not in the same league as either Bucky's or Bruce's.

Why are you comparing Winter Soldier to Bruce.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

And Cap wouldn't have more experience doing those kind of missions than Batman does.

Actually I'm not sure about that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

But I can't really see any argument against Bruce being more intelligent than Steve is. He's mastered various sciences, psychology, engineering, and other fields.

Yes Bruce knows more science than Cap, period. Cap has studied Military tactics. Bruce doesn't know more about this than Cap does. Also espionage isn't just about spying and going undercover, Cap has more experience doing that and has always close links with people like Nick Fury. No way overall does Batman know more about espionage than Cap does.

What, then, is spying about?

Bats is all about stealth.

He goes undercover gathering Intel from his enemies

He's not above hacking into Lexcorp, for.example, to get Intel.

Im not giving Bats a win in Hth because of this, in fact I've already said Cap wins, im just interested to know what you think espionage is.all about.

Btw, I wasn't just talking about a double life (though You can't possibly argue that Steve has a double life on the scale of Bruce Wayne..). It was more to do with triple or quadruple lives, like his Matches persona.