Originally posted by cdtm
You're right. Shang knocking around Wolverine during a training session isn't nearly as impressive as Danny narrowly losing a sparring match where he was holding back more then Wolverine was. 😛 (Even discounting their personal estimates on the what level of dial they were using, most of Danny's stats are active, while Logan's are passive, so there's a disparity on how much each could hold back..)
Wolverine didn't even try to counter Shang's attacks except for that one time when he sliced his stick (😛) in half, if you count that. Fall from the tower wouldn't affect him much, as seen plenty of times.
Actually by giving in to his inner beast or just outright going berserk Wolverine can actively "amp" himself, too. And there's no telling when Rand uses chi for amping and when he doesn't.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Cap wins, due to having comparable skills and better physical stats.
2. Batman can hit as hard as Steve.
3. Batman has comparable speed.
Batman is smarter and has better pressure point technique.
Conclusion, Cap doesn't have better physical stats due to 1. and 2. and 3.
Batman is still more skilled, especially with pressure point striking.
Batman can win at least 4 out of 10.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Batman has bulletproof armor on and thus amps his durability to match Cap's.2. Batman can hit as hard as Steve.
3. Batman has comparable speed.
Batman is smarter and has better pressure point technique.
Conclusion, Cap doesn't have better physical stats due to 1. and 2. and 3.
Batman is still more skilled, especially with pressure point striking.
Batman can win at least 4 out of 10.
Isn't Caps suit some kind of armor?
Mitigating pressure point techniques?
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Batman has bulletproof armor on and thus amps his durability to match Cap's.2. Batman can hit as hard as Steve.
3. Batman has comparable speed.
Batman is smarter and has better pressure point technique.
Conclusion, Cap doesn't have better physical stats due to 1. and 2. and 3.
Batman is still more skilled, especially with pressure point striking.
Batman can win at least 4 out of 10.
1) Cap also has armor, so Cap is still more durable
2) Batman can't hit as hard
3) Cap is faster
Batman isn't smarter as it pertains to fighting and Cap also know pressure points.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Cap also has armor, so Cap is still more durable
2) Batman can't hit as hard
3) Cap is fasterBatman isn't smarter as it pertains to fighting and Cap also know pressure points.
1) Batman has the better Agility
2) Yes he can
3) Running
Batman is leagues smarter then CA, gimme a break... and he knows more pressure points and uses them frequently.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Cap also has armor, so Cap is still more durable
2) Batman can't hit as hard
3) Cap is fasterBatman isn't smarter as it pertains to fighting and Cap also know pressure points.
1. Batman's armor >>> Cap's armor
2. Yes Batman can
3. Cap is only faster in running speed. Batman has the speed/reaction/instant quick movement feats that are comparable or better
Batman knows pressure points far better than Cap
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWe know Danny wasn't using chi because Wolverine still exists.
Wolverine didn't even try to counter Shang's attacks except for that one time when he sliced his stick (😛) in half, if you count that. Fall from the tower wouldn't affect him much, as seen plenty of times.Actually by giving in to his inner beast or just outright going berserk Wolverine can actively "amp" himself, too. And there's no telling when Rand uses chi for amping and when he doesn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Batman's armor >>> Cap's armor2. Yes Batman can
3. Cap is only faster in running speed. Batman has the speed/reaction/instant quick movement feats that are comparable or better
Batman knows pressure points far better than Cap
1) No
2) No
3) Cap is faster
Cap has affected top tiers with his pressure points, what has Batman done that's better than that?
Batman has knocked out top tiers with pressure points. Both are about even in speed, cap is stronger but not to the point that he would manhandle batman, batman is more skilled but cap is no slouch either, cap is more durable and such. This is about as even as you can get. I don't know why cap supporters are so offended by Batman being a good opponent for him in h2h. This is freaking BATMAN we're talking about, cap and him have fought three times in comics and none of them made any mention that cap was so far above batman that he would literally curbstomp batman as some are suggesting here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman has knocked out top tiers with pressure points. Both are about even in speed, cap is stronger but not to the point that he would manhandle batman, batman is more skilled but cap is no slouch either, cap is more durable and such. This is about as even as you can get. I don't know why cap supporters are so offended by Batman being a good opponent for him in h2h. This is freaking BATMAN we're talking about, cap and him have fought three times in comics and none of them made any mention that cap was so far above batman that he would literally curbstomp batman as some are suggesting here.
👆
Two stalemates and one victory for Batman.
Originally posted by abhilegendYep.
Batman has knocked out top tiers with pressure points. Both are about even in speed, cap is stronger but not to the point that he would manhandle batman, batman is more skilled but cap is no slouch either, cap is more durable and such. This is about as even as you can get. I don't know why cap supporters are so offended by Batman being a good opponent for him in h2h. This is freaking BATMAN we're talking about, cap and him have fought three times in comics and none of them made any mention that cap was so far above batman that he would literally curbstomp batman as some are suggesting here.
Originally posted by Silent Master
1) No
2) No
3) Cap is fasterCap has affected top tiers with his pressure points, what has Batman done that's better than that?
Agreed. Stat wise Batman isn't even on any grounds with Steve.
Steve is stronger, faster, better stamina, hits harder, better reflexes.
Steve is superior in physical stats compared to Bruce.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Agreed. Stat wise Batman isn't even on any grounds with Steve.Steve is stronger, faster, better stamina, hits harder, better reflexes.
Steve is superior in physical stats compared to Bruce.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The only things that's not arguable there is that steve is stronger to a fair degree and hits harder. Anything else is arguable. Also, LOL at saying he isn't even in the league with steve. Feats aren't always the best way at looking in comic book fights.
The only thing that's arguable is skill. Feats are very important. Its the total culmination of feats and Steve average in feats across the board are much better in comparison.
Even what they are is important.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
The only thing that's arguable is skill. Feats are very important. Its the total culmination of feats and Steve average in feats across the board are much better in comparison.Even what they are is important.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
But don't worry in a voted fight due to popularity.Batman would win. But not because it is accurate.
Its almost like marvel fanboys know better than the writer who have actually wrote these two characters. I'd like to think that John Byrne, PAD and Kurt Busiek's opinion matter more than random internet poster #one billion.